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They had one of the biggest crowds I’ve ever seen at any festival at Gov Ball 2016. Granted that day was more indie leaning, but I’m willing to bet that less than half of the crowd gave a shit about Beck subbing (who had a much smaller crowd.
Point taken, but that was three years ago, and rock has only gotten deader in that intervening period. I dunno. Jack White and YYYs were both decidedly not packed last year - admittedly, the Strokes are on a higher popularity level than either of those artists, but it does give me the impression that aughts-era rock ain't the draw it used to be. And I really do think some Strokes fans might not buy in for the day due to the fact that there's literally no one else whose sound meshes with them that day except for Soccer Mommy all the way down on the fifth line.
I think some of it might also depend on whether they put out new material before the festival, and how it's received.
Agreed. Gov Ball was a very different fest in 2016. Of the Top-20 like 15 were alt-rock acts.
I'm a gigantic Strokes fan and even I'm pondering going that day. Not even the expensed just doing the Randall's Island trek for an 1:15 set is really tough.
I’m fully expecting a mediocre turnout for Strokes on Sunday. I’m traveling for it and I’ll still have a great time, but I’m not going into this thinking there’s gonna be 50k people there when most of their fan base has jobs to get to on Monday morning.
Anyone think them putting up single day tickets already is a testament to how this is selling?
I wouldn't read into it too much. they've done single days for years now, so their attendees expect it. people that want to go single days are waiting for those tickets & with Pano gone, I am sure there a lot of people who want to hit a local fest, but don't want to commit to a whole weekend of Gov ball & they will pick a day where the lineup works best for them (like me). Plus, single days are more expensive per day than if you purchase a 3-day, so selling single day tix = more rev.
Not saying this fest is selling well or not, but I wouldn't read into much of them selling single day tickets.
Post by manoverboard on Jan 28, 2019 15:19:39 GMT -5
I think The Strokes' draw will really depend on whether or not they announce more east coast shows this year. Because if not I totally see a lot of people from Philly/Boston/Baltimore making a trip to see them.
They may not be THAT popular of a band on paper, but they only plays shows like once every 3 years and it's always in New York. I could still see a big turnout.
They had one of the biggest crowds I’ve ever seen at any festival at Gov Ball 2016. Granted that day was more indie leaning, but I’m willing to bet that less than half of the crowd gave a shit about Beck subbing (who had a much smaller crowd.
Point taken, but that was three years ago, and rock has only gotten deader in that intervening period. I dunno. Jack White and YYYs were both decidedly not packed last year - admittedly, the Strokes are on a higher popularity level than either of those artists, but it does give me the impression that aughts-era rock ain't the draw it used to be. And I really do think some Strokes fans might not buy in for the day due to the fact that there's literally no one else whose sound meshes with them that day except for Soccer Mommy all the way down on the fifth line.
I think some of it might also depend on whether they put out new material before the festival, and how it's received.
Like you said, neither of those acts compare in popularity to The Strokes so I don’t think the comparison makes a lot of sense. Aughts-era rock has no draw at all, I agree, but somehow The Strokes still have a young fan base. This is all anecdotal but I’ve seen them six times over the past eight years and their crowds have always felt very young especially at Gov Ball.
This year will be a real test of their popularity, as Gov Ball isn’t the only pop/rap heavy fest they’re headlining. I think they can make it work as the token rock headliner and still pull in a sizeable crowd, with or without a new album.
Any early predictions on which day (if any) sells out first?
I think they did a pretty good job of spreading acts across the weekend but if I had to guess it would be Saturday first, then possibly Friday. Only issue they *may* have moving as many Fri tix as they'd like, is public school is still in session (in the city, at least. Not sure how LI and NJ work)
Any early predictions on which day (if any) sells out first?
I think they did a pretty good job of spreading acts across the weekend but if I had to guess it would be Saturday first, then possibly Friday. Only issue they *may* have moving as many Fri tix as they'd like, is public school is still in session (in the city, at least. Not sure how LI and NJ work)
Most schools get out by 1-2 so that means all the drunk kiddies can get there by 4 or so. Shouldn't be an issue.
Friday should sell out eventually, but the grounds will be dead until whenever Brockhampton is scheduled and that run of the day's top hip hop acts begins (which should be an utter shit show of a crowd).
I'd like to go on Saturday for what I hope would be a run of Kacey>King Princess>1975>Lord Huron>Flo, but the tickets will probably sell out before they confirm the actual day schedule and I'm not interested if I'm going to miss 1-2 of those.
Friday should sell out eventually, but the grounds will be dead until whenever Brockhampton is scheduled and that run of the day's top hip hop acts begins (which should be an utter shit show of a crowd).
I'd like to go on Saturday for what I hope would be a run of Kacey>King Princess>1975>Lord Huron>Flo, but the tickets will probably sell out before they confirm the actual day schedule and I'm not interested if I'm going to miss 1-2 of those.
I'm pretty sure they confirmed in the reddit AMA that the main stage will be Kacey > 1975 > Flo, so you'll definitely get to see those three.
Post by generaltso on Feb 12, 2019 21:09:53 GMT -5
Unless the backlash goes super saiyan, I'm not too convinced any fest (or Travis, who's still touring with him) drops Sheck, or any abuser for that matter. I think the allegations against Sheck were first brought up a few months ago, and Kelis came out against Nas in the summer? Everyone has the same Google but unless the promoters get called out, and there's constant pressure, they'll remain on the bill
Making an early call but I really don't see any of these days selling out. I don't understand how Founders let Florence & The Machine play Barclays TWICE this past fall yet still headline this festival.
Making an early call but I really don't see any of these days selling out. I don't understand how Founders let Florence & The Machine play Barclays TWICE this past fall yet still headline this festival.
it will sell out because it always sells out because kids want to hang out at gov ball
Making an early call but I really don't see any of these days selling out. I don't understand how Founders let Florence & The Machine play Barclays TWICE this past fall yet still headline this festival.
I have a feeling they're kinda banking on new music from a bunch of these artists to help a spring sales push. Not the smartest decision business-wise especially how output can be feast or famine nowadays, but I think it's a solid bet for this years crop, at least. Tyler, SZA, Kaytra, The Strokes, Beast Coast, The 1975, are lined up nicely since their previous releases
Making an early call but I really don't see any of these days selling out. I don't understand how Founders let Florence & The Machine play Barclays TWICE this past fall yet still headline this festival.
I have a feeling they're kinda banking on new music from a bunch of these artists to help a spring sales push. Not the smartest decision business-wise especially how output can be feast or famine nowadays, but I think it's a solid bet for this years crop, at least. Tyler, SZA, Kaytra, The Strokes, Beast Coast, The 1975, are lined up nicely since their previous releases
I just don't see The Strokes being that significant of a draw anymore. This is now the 3rd time they've done this festival riding on nostalgia and I have a feeling the people who care already saw them in 2014 and 2016. Promoters seem to be vastly overestimating the nostalgia for early 00's indie/alt/rock.
I just don't see The Strokes being that significant of a draw anymore. This is now the 3rd time they've done this festival riding on nostalgia and I have a feeling the people who care already saw them in 2014 and 2016. Promoters seem to be vastly overestimating the nostalgia for early 00's indie/alt/rock.
I agree with you. The Strokes are tired, especially, I imagine, for people who've made Gov Ball weekend an annual thing (*raises hand*.) I was just including them because they're due to drop the album around the fest. Whether or not they drop a couple weeks before the show will determine how many more people they can pull in/how much more interest they can generate in another GB show, aside from the stans. As of today and being that they're playing unopposed on Sunday, I'd be a little surprised if their crowd sizes stretches out to the grass
Making an early call but I really don't see any of these days selling out. I don't understand how Founders let Florence & The Machine play Barclays TWICE this past fall yet still headline this festival.
I think the exclusivity of Florence probably was a factor, there. I mean, yeah, she's played the city in the past year, but she's only doing one other American festival this summer, so far.
I have a feeling they're kinda banking on new music from a bunch of these artists to help a spring sales push. Not the smartest decision business-wise especially how output can be feast or famine nowadays, but I think it's a solid bet for this years crop, at least. Tyler, SZA, Kaytra, The Strokes, Beast Coast, The 1975, are lined up nicely since their previous releases
I just don't see The Strokes being that significant of a draw anymore. This is now the 3rd time they've done this festival riding on nostalgia and I have a feeling the people who care already saw them in 2014 and 2016. Promoters seem to be vastly overestimating the nostalgia for early 00's indie/alt/rock.
I have been saying this, and yet am repeatedly told I'm crazy and that the Strokes are timeless legends whose appeal spans generations.
I just don't see The Strokes being that significant of a draw anymore. This is now the 3rd time they've done this festival riding on nostalgia and I have a feeling the people who care already saw them in 2014 and 2016. Promoters seem to be vastly overestimating the nostalgia for early 00's indie/alt/rock.
I have been saying this, and yet am repeatedly told I'm crazy and that the Strokes are timeless legends whose appeal spans generations.
I know its not a big deal for regular gov ball goers and nyc residents but Im super jealous of you guys getting them. I'd totally go to sunday of gov ball just to see them and i know plenty of people who would as well. if they don't have a high draw among nyc residents, they at least have a high draw from people who live outside nyc. personally I'd sacrifice TOP and Travis at boston calling for just the Strokes.
Edit: all anecdotal though, for all i know there's only gonna be a few thousand travelling for just them
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I just don't see The Strokes being that significant of a draw anymore. This is now the 3rd time they've done this festival riding on nostalgia and I have a feeling the people who care already saw them in 2014 and 2016. Promoters seem to be vastly overestimating the nostalgia for early 00's indie/alt/rock.
I have been saying this, and yet am repeatedly told I'm crazy and that the Strokes are timeless legends whose appeal spans generations.
I dig The Strokes and saw them in the Is This It era yet I never was "OMG'ing" about them like a lot of people were. Solid band, two great records followed by three spotty ones which, at least to me, definitely doesn't put them in the timeless legend category. Maybe I'm getting too cynical about Gov Ball's audience but the early 00's rock bands (Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, THe Strokes, etc.) just don't seem to be that important to 16-24 year-olds. Couple that with the fact that Sunday has, as most have pointed, barely anything similar genre-wise to The Strokes making it hard for people who are rock-oriented to drop the $100 + to go.
I have been saying this, and yet am repeatedly told I'm crazy and that the Strokes are timeless legends whose appeal spans generations.
I dig The Strokes and saw them in the Is This It era yet I never was "OMG'ing" about them like a lot of people were. Solid band, two great records followed by three spotty ones which, at least to me, definitely doesn't put them in the timeless legend category. Maybe I'm getting too cynical about Gov Ball's audience but the early 00's rock bands (Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, THe Strokes, etc.) just don't seem to be that important to 16-24 year-olds. Couple that with the fact that Sunday has, as most have pointed, barely anything similar genre-wise to The Strokes making it hard for people who are rock-oriented to drop the $100 + to go.
I think the early 00s "NY scene" was completely overhyped, and was never as big as the rock media made it seem. However, I think The Strokes are the one band that truly outlived the hype and have managed to keep pulling in new fans (even without releasing new music). I saw them headline Shaky Knees in 2015, and it was packed. Mostly younger crowd. I saw Interpol at that same fest that weekend, and while they had a decent crowd, it was only a small fraction of what the Strokes had. Granted, Interpol played opposed and in an earlier slot, but I don't think it made that much difference. I think they could've put the Strokes on at 2pm and we would've still packed in there.
I know I'm just one person, but I'm going to London for their day at All Points East, vacationing over there a bit, then flying back to see them at Gov Ball.
I dig The Strokes and saw them in the Is This It era yet I never was "OMG'ing" about them like a lot of people were. Solid band, two great records followed by three spotty ones which, at least to me, definitely doesn't put them in the timeless legend category. Maybe I'm getting too cynical about Gov Ball's audience but the early 00's rock bands (Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, THe Strokes, etc.) just don't seem to be that important to 16-24 year-olds. Couple that with the fact that Sunday has, as most have pointed, barely anything similar genre-wise to The Strokes making it hard for people who are rock-oriented to drop the $100 + to go.
I think the early 00s "NY scene" was completely overhyped, and was never as big as the rock media made it seem. However, I think The Strokes are the one band that truly outlived the hype and have managed to keep pulling in new fans (even without releasing new music). I saw them headline Shaky Knees in 2015, and it was packed. Mostly younger crowd. I saw Interpol at that same fest that weekend, and while they had a decent crowd, it was only a small fraction of what the Strokes had. Granted, Interpol played opposed and in an earlier slot, but I don't think it made that much difference. I think they could've put the Strokes on at 2pm and we would've still packed in there.
I know I'm just one person, but I'm going to London for their day at All Points East, vacationing over there a bit, then flying back to see them at Gov Ball.
I'm not a huge Strokes, early 00s person, but I'd much prefer a fest to have more music of that era than whatever it is their pushing this year. With reports that Bonnaroo's sales are up this year (being one of, if not the most diverse lineup in my opinoin), and the Just Like Heaven fest selling out, I am hoping that's a positive sign for bookings for the future of other fests
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I think the early 00s "NY scene" was completely overhyped, and was never as big as the rock media made it seem. However, I think The Strokes are the one band that truly outlived the hype and have managed to keep pulling in new fans (even without releasing new music). I saw them headline Shaky Knees in 2015, and it was packed. Mostly younger crowd. I saw Interpol at that same fest that weekend, and while they had a decent crowd, it was only a small fraction of what the Strokes had. Granted, Interpol played opposed and in an earlier slot, but I don't think it made that much difference. I think they could've put the Strokes on at 2pm and we would've still packed in there.
I know I'm just one person, but I'm going to London for their day at All Points East, vacationing over there a bit, then flying back to see them at Gov Ball.
I'm not a huge Strokes, early 00s person, but I'd much prefer a fest to have more music of that era than whatever it is their pushing this year. With reports that Bonnaroo's sales are up this year (being one of, if not the most diverse lineup in my opinoin), and the Just Like Heaven fest selling out, I am hoping that's a positive sign for bookings for the future of other fests
Yeah, I'm curious about ticket sales for some of these festivals like Firefly and Hangout that have seemingly jumped shark. I dunno. If there were more quality, headline level bands available who were actually offering new music, maybe they'd be headlining instead of some of the ones who are.
