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I think there's some chance of NFF happening. If it does, I'll probably be there.
However, I think at this point it's under 50% chance it does happen. The more shit we see cancelling in July, the more I worry.
I think it helps that it's the end of July beginning of August. I have a client who is one of the brightest and best in the biotech field and he told me there are effective drugs on the way and things will be better soon. I have faith in him and optimistically believe Newport will happen.
Post by shakedownstreet on Apr 9, 2020 17:52:39 GMT -5
a few shows i had tickets to in march rescheduled for July/ early August. it will be interesting to see how long they wait on these these before rescheduling again
also - major bummer on John Prine - his full audio set from '17 is on npr. listened to that yesterday. Jason Isbell also just published an opinion piece in the times about him - not sure how it reads as im not a NYT subscriber and its behind the subscriber pay wall - but if you subscribe I'd imagine it'd be a nice read.
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I think there's some chance of NFF happening. If it does, I'll probably be there.
However, I think at this point it's under 50% chance it does happen. The more shit we see cancelling in July, the more I worry.
I think it helps that it's the end of July beginning of August. I have a client who is one of the brightest and best in the biotech field and he told me there are effective drugs on the way and things will be better soon. I have faith in him and optimistically believe Newport will happen.
A paraphrased opinion from a regional big shot in the field of public health:
While some/many of us will be back to working, likely as soon as early May, the most at risk will still need to self isolate likely through summer (or beyond). There’s hope that effective drugs could be ready by fall, but until then, it’s not in anyone’s interest to host/attend big events/gatherings. We will need to adapt to a new “normal” (no big events, no handshakes, face masks in certain public places, etc.) until herd immunity kicks in down the line.
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Post by sigurrosfan on Apr 9, 2020 23:03:17 GMT -5
Having hope is really important right now, but realistically there won't be any festivals or concerts happening until 2021 at least. I think Jay and the crew are working on something special regardless, probably some sort of virtual event where there will be lots of opportunities for charitable giving to the artists and the community. This is evident by the change of "artist announcements" to "support musicians" in April. Regardless of whether this festival happens or not this year, the community will support the musicians just like they always do. And that's what makes this festival special. Everyone is there for the music and they know that the money they spend goes directly to the musicians and organizations that need it.
I must give props to Newport for embracing Hamilton Leithauser as early as 2014 (and then again more recently). I’m convinced he’s the best modern-day torch carrier for the style of indie folk rock as was popularized in the late 00s and early 10s by acts like Band of Horses, Bon Iver, and Grizzly Bear.
(I don’t want to say indie folk in general because the gals took that over and are still reshaping the scene: Phoebe, Courtney, Julien, Lucy, Angel, Snail)
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I must give props to Newport for embracing Hamilton Leithauser as early as 2014 (and then again more recently). I’m convinced he’s the best modern-day torch carrier for the style of indie folk rock as was popularized in the late 00s and early 10s by acts like Band of Horses, Bon Iver, and Grizzly Bear.
(I don’t want to say indie folk in general because the gals took that over and are still reshaping the scene: Phoebe, Courtney, Julien, Lucy, Angel, Snail)
Just gave the new album a listen, it’s so good. Such a great voice and songwriter. Laura marlings album is really good too. Giving Pokey LaFarge a listen now
I must give props to Newport for embracing Hamilton Leithauser as early as 2014 (and then again more recently). I’m convinced he’s the best modern-day torch carrier for the style of indie folk rock as was popularized in the late 00s and early 10s by acts like Band of Horses, Bon Iver, and Grizzly Bear.
(I don’t want to say indie folk in general because the gals took that over and are still reshaping the scene: Phoebe, Courtney, Julien, Lucy, Angel, Snail)
Just gave the new album a listen, it’s so good. Such a great voice and songwriter. Laura marlings album is really good too. Giving Pokey LaFarge a listen now
This Marling album is excellent! Listened to Pokeys, it was good.
Jay just said they he’s been in touch with the governor’s office and the festivals are still on as planed. This is certainly a glimmer of hope for a very tough week.
i have been an absolute optimist but the phrasing of todays announcement gave me serious pause...
"ARTIST DONATION: We continue to announce 2020 artists in a spirit of hope, support, and giving. Andrew Bird joins us this year..."
not sure its the first day that they adjusted this but it does seem like they are bracing for the worst...
Jay mentioned on his IG live on Friday that they would be slightly changing their announcements starting on Monday, so I'm guessing that's what he meant. He also said that in addition to wanting to be optimistic by continuing announcements and promoting artists, they wait to make the artist donations until their announcement day.
Also, I may be more upset about having to miss the My Chemical Romance reunion set at Riot Fest than having to postpone my wedding by a year (jk... or am I?).
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Stacking the announcements rn makes me think this isnt happening.
Pretty sure that Jay said during his IG chat that money can’t be freed up for donations until an announcement is made. I think that’s why this is happening
Damn. Newport can’t catch a break trying to break into the world of hip hop. Last year Noname had to cancel; and now even with this announcement, the festival probably won’t take place.
Newport, if you’re reading, I’d be happy to drop (reasonable) money on tickets to a virtual festival. Hell, I’d even buy some merch and tickets to a virtual Deer Tick aftershow.
In a state, RI, that only recently stopped cars with NY license plates, and with nearby Mass still an est. 3 weeks away from" topping the curve," it's pretty silly for anyone to bash folks here for suggesting the concert won't happen. We don't want a cheerleader government; we want facts, couched in some optimism. And yes, unless there is a vaccine, and nationwide testing -- yeah, right -- who knows about 2021. We could be teetering as a republic by then.
I am concerned about the financial health of the Foundation. I don't know --
Is Newport -- Folk & Jazz -- on the hook for payment...or do they have a Force Majeure (aka Act of God) in some or all contracts, and how is that interpreted in Mass, I think, where the Foundation is based? States often have different laws. So, wondering whether announcing acts, especially those in need of greater publicity (outside this room), might be something they have to do (or want to do) first. According to Jay one major act has pulled out. There are one or two other "headliners" with out clauses. We'll see whether they are mentioned, or did the bands already used them. Guess surprise we will never know about.
I must say, for me there are maybe 2 or 3 "must sees." The repeats are fine, but like, yeah OK, it's my comfort food, and every fest needs comfort food. Andrew Bird, fine. I feel like I just saw him. Maybe I've been going too long that an act seems like a repeat act. Milk Carton Kids next? All good as a base for fest. As for Sampa, I could care less, and think the fest is missing out on indie folk they haven't touched before going hip hop. Hell, these are tough times.
My Part II. I agree with others, and have long thought Newport should, and may still, put on an online festival. It would be the first major one. I don't mean Yola on You Tube at 7 PM, and check out this video of Randy on Facebook at 8 PM. I mean a streaming festival that is free to us, and open to those without tickets for a price. And then some kind of make good for those of us with tickets, perhaps first to order next year, or a discount on tix next year. Its a bureaucratic nightmare. I have no intention asking for my money back.
But imagine two or three days of music, with Jay and other hosts, some perhaps on Zoom ala Saturday Night Live, on a structured 11Am -- to late night show. Perhaps even two on-line stages. We see music. Acts who need money get paid. Perhaps sell a DVD in the future. Good PR. The kid programs still get funded. Jay and George are a lot smarter and innovative than many of these corporate producers.
In a state, RI, that only recently stopped cars with NY license plates, and with nearby Mass still an est. 3 weeks away from" topping the curve," it's pretty silly for anyone to bash folks here for suggesting the concert won't happen. We don't want a cheerleader government; we want facts, couched in some optimism. And yes, unless there is a vaccine, and nationwide testing -- yeah, right -- who knows about 2021. We could be teetering as a republic by then.
I am concerned about the financial health of the Foundation. I don't know --
Is Newport -- Folk & Jazz -- on the hook for payment...or do they have a Force Majeure (aka Act of God) in some or all contracts, and how is that interpreted in Mass, I think, where the Foundation is based? States often have different laws. So, wondering whether announcing acts, especially those in need of greater publicity (outside this room), might be something they have to do (or want to do) first. According to Jay one major act has pulled out. There are one or two other "headliners" with out clauses. We'll see whether they are mentioned, or did the bands already used them. Guess surprise we will never know about.
I must say, for me there are maybe 2 or 3 "must sees." The repeats are fine, but like, yeah OK, it's my comfort food, and every fest needs comfort food. Andrew Bird, fine. I feel like I just saw him. Maybe I've been going too long that an act seems like a repeat act. Milk Carton Kids next? All good as a base for fest. As for Sampa, I could care less, and think the fest is missing out on indie folk they haven't touched before going hip hop. Hell, these are tough times.
I think if you go back and read the original posts on the discussion I believe you're referring to I think you'll find it began with someone being bashed for suggesting it would take place and not the other way around. I also think there's a greater chance it'll be cancelled than take place but I don't think people should be bashed for holding on to hope that it might take place. If it doesn't then we can cross that bridge when we know. As recently as last week officials were suggesting baseball games will take place this Summer. The virus is peaking now so it's not a good time to predict. I know I'll likely be back in the office by late May to early June. But I definitely agree it's not looking good. I do hope that if its cancelled there'll be some event like the one you're talking about. It could put food on the tables of newer struggling musicians. Hey maybe they could ship a vinyl record of the highlights for ticket holders. I don't know how any of this works. Are Newport left having to pay loads of costs anyway. I don't know. It's a tough time for everyone. It's out of our hands. People have plans so I'm sure they'll let us know soon as they know.
Post by earthshoe12 on Apr 13, 2020 18:36:41 GMT -5
I saw the updated wording + 2 announcements and one day and thought we were canceled already. From listening to you folks it doesn’t look like I missed an announcement, but it sure doesn’t look good.
Personally, this sucks big time. We’re west coast now and I’ve already got plane tickets and campsite reserved. Missing the fest and eating the $150 for The site is whatever—but my parents were supposed to visit their grandson this week and couldn’t, and now I’m wondering if we’ll be able to get back east at all this year.
Fest wise I’ve been predicting a burst of the “festival bubble” for a long time now. We’ve seen smaller fests pop up and disappear within a few years, some mid-size fests haven’t made it, and of course there have been high profile disasters like fyre and Woodstock. Personally I went to what turned out to be the last Gathering of the Vibes in 2015, and a strange little one-off called “stackstock” out here in Oregon in 2017.
My point is these things are always in a precarious financial position, and I wonder how many will not survive the loss of a festival season, or two if the experts are correct. And where does Newport sit specifically? Are they in a better position thanks to their longevity, relationship with the affluent Newport community, and the fact that they receive non-festival grants and donations as well? Or are they in a more precarious position as a non-profit that is totally reliant on donations and grants that may be on hold for quite some time?
I have no idea. It’s interesting to note that Jay came on and revived the fest starting in 2008—during the LAST catastrophic economic downturn. I guess that gives me hope.
In a state, RI, that only recently stopped cars with NY license plates, and with nearby Mass still an est. 3 weeks away from" topping the curve," it's pretty silly for anyone to bash folks here for suggesting the concert won't happen. We don't want a cheerleader government; we want facts, couched in some optimism. And yes, unless there is a vaccine, and nationwide testing -- yeah, right -- who knows about 2021. We could be teetering as a republic by then.
I am concerned about the financial health of the Foundation. I don't know --
Is Newport -- Folk & Jazz -- on the hook for payment...or do they have a Force Majeure (aka Act of God) in some or all contracts, and how is that interpreted in Mass, I think, where the Foundation is based? States often have different laws. So, wondering whether announcing acts, especially those in need of greater publicity (outside this room), might be something they have to do (or want to do) first. According to Jay one major act has pulled out. There are one or two other "headliners" with out clauses. We'll see whether they are mentioned, or did the bands already used them. Guess surprise we will never know about.
I must say, for me there are maybe 2 or 3 "must sees." The repeats are fine, but like, yeah OK, it's my comfort food, and every fest needs comfort food. Andrew Bird, fine. I feel like I just saw him. Maybe I've been going too long that an act seems like a repeat act. Milk Carton Kids next? All good as a base for fest. As for Sampa, I could care less, and think the fest is missing out on indie folk they haven't touched before going hip hop. Hell, these are tough times.
As recently as last week officials were suggesting baseball games will take place this Summer.
The latest I’ve seen is that while there are plans for baseball to resume, it won’t be anything like what we’re used to. All teams will either move to Arizona or Florida and play to empty stadiums. The players will basically be quarantined with one another (and may not even be able to see their families). This will cut down on travel and spread of disease.
I think there’s reason to believe life will start to return to some semblance of normal maybe as soon as next month.
But activities will start coming with an asterisk, *dine at your own risk, *fly at your own risk. There may even be more limitations on occupancy at certain places of work.
I’m guessing by middle of summer small concerts will resume again. I fully expect once things open up we’ll move to a national policy of “no nonessential events with more than 100/200/500 people”. Small acts playing cafes and bars will be able to take advantage of this and resume playing shows. Bigger acts will have to start playing intimate shows or stay on hiatus.
I still have trouble imagining any nonessential event with more than 1,000 people will take place within the next 6 months. This includes concerts, festivals, and sporting events. There have been many instances of COVID spreading from some ground zero: a factory, a bar mitzvah, a church, spring break, etc. There will be efforts taken to prevent that from happening on a large scale in the future.
As recently as last week officials were suggesting baseball games will take place this Summer.
The latest I’ve seen is that while there are plans for baseball to resume, it won’t be anything like what we’re used to. All teams will either move to Arizona or Florida and play to empty stadiums. The players will basically be quarantined with one another (and may not even be able to see their families). This will cut down on travel and spread of disease.
I think there’s reason to believe life will start to return to some semblance of normal maybe as soon as next month.
But activities will start coming with an asterisk, *dine at your own risk, *fly at your own risk. There may even be more limitations on occupancy at certain places of work.
I’m guessing by middle of summer small concerts will resume again. I fully expect once things open up we’ll move to a national policy of “no nonessential events with more than 100/200/500 people”. Small acts playing cafes and bars will be able to take advantage of this and resume playing shows. Bigger acts will have to start playing intimate shows or stay on hiatus.
I still have trouble imagining any nonessential event with more than 1,000 people will take place within the next 6 months. This includes concerts, festivals, and sporting events. There have been many instances of COVID spreading from some ground zero: a factory, a bar mitzvah, a church, spring break, etc. There will be efforts taken to prevent that from happening on a large scale in the future.
I would love for you to be right, but ultimately I think you're being WAY too optimistic. Nothing is going to be back to any semblance of normal in May. It would be dangerous to try. If the country does start trying to open things up, it'll be because the white house decides to do whatever he/they want and ignore all of the actual medical advice, which very well may happen and would likely lead to this lasting a lot longer than it has to (which is already very very long.)
This twitter thread about Morgan Stanley research from 2 days ago really helped me understand. (If you click through, there's a few different screenshots.)
