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For me, I keep asking who would WANT to attend a music festival in the next 6 months, even if the authorities allowed it? Why would you purposely put yourself in that kind of viral breeding ground? We all love music and our folk family, but it’s not anywhere close to worth the risk of becoming infected and passing that on to loved ones.
For me, I keep asking who would WANT to attend a music festival in the next 6 months, even if the authorities allowed it? Why would you purposely put yourself in that kind of viral breeding ground? We all love music and our folk family, but it’s not anywhere close to worth the risk of becoming infected and passing that on to loved ones.
Thank you for the rational thinking. Newport will be back. A year off of music festivals won't kill us. A year on music festivals might.
For me, I keep asking who would WANT to attend a music festival in the next 6 months, even if the authorities allowed it? Why would you purposely put yourself in that kind of viral breeding ground? We all love music and our folk family, but it’s not anywhere close to worth the risk of becoming infected and passing that on to loved ones.
You're posting on a forum where people are like "am I the jerk for insisting that my sister move her wedding because it's on the same weekend as the My Morning Jacket show I wanted to go to?" so I feel like your appeal to logic might not land as well as it should.
Post by shakedownstreet on Apr 14, 2020 9:28:28 GMT -5
I do think the updated wording of comments and the rapid release of "new additions to the folk family" means a decision has likely been made and is coming soon.
While it is a huge bummer, i'd personally rather have some concrete news sooner rather than later, that way I can ty to recoup a deposit on our airbnb and get through the grieving period faster. I also for one wouldnt totally hate it if by the fall artists are forced to perform in smaller, more intimate venues. I tend to go to small venues for artists i already know - but could see my desire to just be around live music when this is all over to lead me to just going to any small live performance regardless who it is and discovering new things that way.
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The latest I’ve seen is that while there are plans for baseball to resume, it won’t be anything like what we’re used to. All teams will either move to Arizona or Florida and play to empty stadiums. The players will basically be quarantined with one another (and may not even be able to see their families). This will cut down on travel and spread of disease.
I think there’s reason to believe life will start to return to some semblance of normal maybe as soon as next month.
But activities will start coming with an asterisk, *dine at your own risk, *fly at your own risk. There may even be more limitations on occupancy at certain places of work.
I’m guessing by middle of summer small concerts will resume again. I fully expect once things open up we’ll move to a national policy of “no nonessential events with more than 100/200/500 people”. Small acts playing cafes and bars will be able to take advantage of this and resume playing shows. Bigger acts will have to start playing intimate shows or stay on hiatus.
I still have trouble imagining any nonessential event with more than 1,000 people will take place within the next 6 months. This includes concerts, festivals, and sporting events. There have been many instances of COVID spreading from some ground zero: a factory, a bar mitzvah, a church, spring break, etc. There will be efforts taken to prevent that from happening on a large scale in the future.
I would love for you to be right, but ultimately I think you're being WAY too optimistic. Nothing is going to be back to any semblance of normal in May. It would be dangerous to try. If the country does start trying to open things up, it'll be because the white house decides to do whatever he/they want and ignore all of the actual medical advice, which very well may happen and would likely lead to this lasting a lot longer than it has to (which is already very very long.)
This twitter thread about Morgan Stanley research from 2 days ago really helped me understand. (If you click through, there's a few different screenshots.)
I wouldn’t say the (completely non-scientific, but based on data) predictions I made are entirely off from this graphic.
For one, UW models show peaking a little earlier than this Morgan Stanley research. And in some cases, UW shows that peak infection ASSUMING social distancing continues is already behind us in many locations (new infection rates seem to suggest the same). I also account for the fact that there’s a contingency of big business friendly politicians with too much power who are advocating for getting things back to normal as quickly as possible. Hell, some governors are even advocating to get kids back in school before the end of the school year.
This graphic shows the first wave of workers back by early June. I’m just guessing by mid-to-late May, but it will likely be dependent upon serological testing.
For me, when I mean slowly getting back to normal, I’m referring to the re-opening of non-essential businesses and the move to get bars and restaurants back open to at least 50% capacity. For the companies that can easily continue operating remotely (which, if I’m recalling the numbers I’ve seen, approximately 30% of the workforce works in a job that can be delivered remotely), then yes, I expect it to continue into and maybe through the summer.
As the bars and restaurants begin to come back, I can only expect small scale concerts will as well. But there will likely be limitations on either venue/bar capacity or rules that prevent events over some specific size.
That said, as long as COVID is still around and we do not have appropriate medicines or vaccines in place, as much as I want to go to Riot Fest and Newport this year, I can’t imagine having much fun standing around in a sweaty crowd of people. Using portapotties that have run out of hand sanitizer. Eating a lobster roll with my bare hands. That’s a far change from ordering my groceries for delivery or curbside pickup right now and proceeding to wipe each item down with Lysol.
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I think if you go back and read the original posts on the discussion I believe you're referring to I think you'll find it began with someone being bashed for suggesting it would take place and not the other way around. I also think there's a greater chance it'll be cancelled than take place but I don't think people should be bashed for holding on to hope that it might take place. If it doesn't then we can cross that bridge when we know. As recently as last week officials were suggesting baseball games will take place this Summer. The virus is peaking now so it's not a good time to predict. I know I'll likely be back in the office by late May to early June. But I definitely agree it's not looking good. I do hope that if its cancelled there'll be some event like the one you're talking about. It could put food on the tables of newer struggling musicians. Hey maybe they could ship a vinyl record of the highlights for ticket holders. I don't know how any of this works. Are Newport left having to pay loads of costs anyway. I don't know. It's a tough time for everyone. It's out of our hands. People have plans so I'm sure they'll let us know soon as they know.
I did go back, and The Vagabond and others were skewered for suggesting (admittedly in strong language) that the festival would be cancelled, and others suggested he not bother coming in any case...and all the rest. I don't know how much of that was serious chat, but that is what I was referring to. Here's my problem --
I don't think MA or RI have peaked, and as a New Yorker who was exposed to the earliest victims in New Rochelle, and couldn't get tested, and still cannot for the anti-body pipe dream (Korea reports 100 possible repeat cases as of today). I know that a peak A) is the end of the beginning, B) can last a long time, and C) usually has ups and downs. This dangerous Trumpian idea that you can open parts of the economy without tens or even hundreds of millions of tests -- something virtually every public health specialist advovcates -- will be challenged in the courts, if necessary, by the hardest hit states. That chart assumes millions of tests. WE've been promised that for how long? The Federal Gov't. says let the states do it, but they do not have the capacity, or national tracking data. Sorry to get political, but Newport was political from Day One. And no reason to stop now.
Baseball will be played on empty fields in AZ and FL. The House is holding up any 4th "stimulus bill" unless there is more healthcare provider protection (imagine that is a sticking point!) and more money for protecting the November election by funding the post office (set in stone by the Constitution), which the prez says he will veto -- band we all know that is because he does not want mail in ballots. The Democratic Convention, moved to August, isnow looking at going virtual.
I do not want to be the Cassandra here, but they have to make a decision with the facts they have now, not the possibly more optimistic trend. THat's what I was referring to. I would be so bummed to miss this festival. It is the highlight of my year, and I don't know how many more I'll be attending. I'v already lost Clearwater. But where I live, with my own doctor passing away, a friend working ER in Brooklyn and reading what he reports, I can't muster any tears if I miss the Fest. I'm out of tears.
I am concerned about the Foundation. That must, absolutely has, to live on. And I believe it will; as I recall, there is now an annual "endowment" of sorts that should help fund the festival and the Foundation in years to come. I believe that was part of the restructuring. Hope to see you all there. But I'd be just fine if I see you all online this year. I fervently hope something like that can be worked out. And perhaps why the biggest names booked we may never see here.
I assume everyone has seen the official release last week (in the AM for members) of the Kermit Rainbow Connection song innings entirety. Guess I did have more tears left.
I did go back, and The Vagabond and others were skewered for suggesting (admittedly in strong language) that the festival would be cancelled, and others suggested he not bother coming in any case...and all the rest. I don't know how much of that was serious chat, but that is what I was referring to. Here's my problem --
I don't think MA or RI have peaked, and as a New Yorker who was exposed to the earliest victims in New Rochelle, and couldn't get tested, and still cannot for the anti-body pipe dream (Korea reports 100 possible repeat cases as of today). I know that a peak A) is the end of the beginning, B) can last a long time, and C) usually has ups and downs. This dangerous Trumpian idea that you can open parts of the economy without tens or even hundreds of millions of tests -- something virtually every public health specialist advovcates -- will be challenged in the courts, if necessary, by the hardest hit states. That chart assumes millions of tests. WE've been promised that for how long? The Federal Gov't. says let the states do it, but they do not have the capacity, or national tracking data. Sorry to get political, but Newport was political from Day One. And no reason to stop now.
Baseball will be played on empty fields in AZ and FL. The House is holding up any 4th "stimulus bill" unless there is more healthcare provider protection (imagine that is a sticking point!) and more money for protecting the November election by funding the post office (set in stone by the Constitution), which the prez says he will veto -- band we all know that is because he does not want mail in ballots. The Democratic Convention, moved to August, isnow looking at going virtual.
I do not want to be the Cassandra here, but they have to make a decision with the facts they have now, not the possibly more optimistic trend. THat's what I was referring to. I would be so bummed to miss this festival. It is the highlight of my year, and I don't know how many more I'll be attending. I'v already lost Clearwater. But where I live, with my own doctor passing away, a friend working ER in Brooklyn and reading what he reports, I can't muster any tears if I miss the Fest. I'm out of tears.
I am concerned about the Foundation. That must, absolutely has, to live on. And I believe it will; as I recall, there is now an annual "endowment" of sorts that should help fund the festival and the Foundation in years to come. I believe that was part of the restructuring. Hope to see you all there. But I'd be just fine if I see you all online this year. I fervently hope something like that can be worked out. And perhaps why the biggest names booked we may never see here.
If that's getting skewered I guess we're all pretty freaking skewered.
Edit: I just had a look too. The people telling him get off the board was uncalled for. I'm fairness they were reacting to him calling people delusional and swearing in peoples posts. None of use are angels I know I'm not. I love today's announcement. This is why I love Newport. He will be a regular on my playlists.
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Beginning to see one silver lining to all of this - we may be getting a complete lineup without a final decision being made yet about the festival. No one, I repeat, no one, knows what’s going to happen by August with this virus. You can read 100 different “expert opinions” and they’ll all say different things. Let Mother Nature go through this and we will take it from there.
Who Alexi Murdoch is. Why are people so jazzed up about him? What's his story? Why is he a big deal? I can't find that answer anywhere.
He is from the UK and doesn’t come to the US very often. So it’s a treat that he was able to align a fest date with Newport in a country that he doesn’t always play. His music is great, I’ve been listening to it for years.
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Who Alexi Murdoch is. Why are people so jazzed up about him? What's his story? Why is he a big deal? I can't find that answer anywhere.
My introduction to him was through the movie "Away We Go". It is a good movie directed by Sam Mendes starring Jon Krasinski and Maya Rudolph. Alexi Murdoch was the primary voice on the soundtrack and it fit perfectly for the mood of the movie. Similar to Aimee Mann and "Magnolia" or Elliot Smith and "Good Will Hunting". I recommend both the movie and the soundtrack.
Whatever happens, I've found three new people to follow. I', just not in the "scene"enough to know Tyler, Gunn or Murdoch (there was a Murdoch who used to steal my lunch in junior high)? But I like all I've heard, and love hearing new performers who deserve a step up. I really wonder whether we will see headlining acts listed, considering a few may already be out. But for a scaled down show, or an online show, or just a good old fashioned folkie fest, I'm liking what I hear.
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Post by jumpinjamesbrown on Apr 14, 2020 19:37:10 GMT -5
I haven’t donated to the foundation yet but I was able to send something to Amanda Shires and the Covid 19 relief fund. The webcast she’s done every night is the only appointment viewing in my life at the moment and it feels interactive which helps when I have locked all of my employees out of the building and hardly see anyone’s faces anymore.
I couldn't get over how much Alexi Murdoch sounded like Nick Drake.
Murdoch is compared to the late British singer-songwriter Nick Drake. His first album Time Without Consequence was met with wide critical praise, gaining him five stars with Alternative Press as well as placing him on Rolling Stone's Top Ten Artists list. His newest release Towards the Sun is gathering higher praise still in both the US and in Europe. PopMatters, giving the record a 9/10 calls Murdoch's performance "hauntingly beautiful" and "heartbreakingly lovely". Q magazine in the UK give the record four stars with this to say: "Acoustic troubadour makes stunning second outing. Anyone who harps on about how the songwriters of today don't match up to those of yesteryear should be directed to this remarkable second record."
I couldn't get over how much Alexi Murdoch sounded like Nick Drake.
Murdoch is compared to the late British singer-songwriter Nick Drake. His first album Time Without Consequence was met with wide critical praise, gaining him five stars with Alternative Press as well as placing him on Rolling Stone's Top Ten Artists list. His newest release Towards the Sun is gathering higher praise still in both the US and in Europe. PopMatters, giving the record a 9/10 calls Murdoch's performance "hauntingly beautiful" and "heartbreakingly lovely".[16] Q magazine in the UK give the record four stars with this to say: "Acoustic troubadour makes stunning second outing. Anyone who harps on about how the songwriters of today don't match up to those of yesteryear should be directed to this remarkable second record."
Post by wheattoast1 on Apr 14, 2020 19:45:12 GMT -5
Yeah RI hasn't peaked yet- it's supposed to be April 28th-ish. I do think that if any concerts we get this year at least for the SUMMER, it'll be small scale- possibly very small scale- and as k2b said bands who are bigger either will choose to play smaller places or not at all.
Pollstar said something I think is interesting "The complexity of a global megatour employing scores of personnel and a fleet of rolling stock makes uncertainty the enemy in a wildly divergent global economy and state of recovery. Some of these tours will sit out 2020. But tours with 10 or less crew, playing venues with capacities of 5,000 or less, with the ability to pivot to whatever market is available and price tickets at $50 or less will be positioned to take maximum advantage of fans pining for live music and eager to resume the shared experience that makes live the greatest industry in the world. "here is the link
i think 5K venues are a BIT extreme but it's too early to tell right now i think
Yeah RI hasn't peaked yet- it's supposed to be April 28th-ish. I do think that if any concerts we get this year at least for the SUMMER, it'll be small scale- possibly very small scale- and as k2b said bands who are bigger either will choose to play smaller places or not at all.
Pollstar said something I think is interesting "The complexity of a global megatour employing scores of personnel and a fleet of rolling stock makes uncertainty the enemy in a wildly divergent global economy and state of recovery. Some of these tours will sit out 2020. But tours with 10 or less crew, playing venues with capacities of 5,000 or less, with the ability to pivot to whatever market is available and price tickets at $50 or less will be positioned to take maximum advantage of fans pining for live music and eager to resume the shared experience that makes live the greatest industry in the world. "here is the link
i think 5K venues are a BIT extreme but it's too early to tell right now i think
It took a few years for the 1918 flu to wind down because there where a few waves. In hindsight maybe this is why they partied so hard in the roaring 20s. The whole country had a new lease on life and the economy boomed due to war and virus deferred spending. Wouldn't be surprised to see a similar phenomenon once this ends.
