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What’s everyone’s take on the seating at the Harbor and Quad?
On one hand, I love it. It’s unique. It allows for more intimate performances between the artist and the fans. It’s a break from the sun and allows demographics who might not be able to stand in the sun get up close and personal with the artists. And it’s the way things have been.
But, I had some really negative experiences at the Harbor Stage this year. And... the more I think about it... the more I realize how I’ve always disliked the Harbor Stage and actively avoid it if I don’t think I can get over to it not long after the act before the one I want to see finishes their set.
I was able to get third row standing along one of the interior pathways (which allowed for a breeze and a better view because I was half in the shade)... a nice spot for Nilufer Yanya. But I spent a lot of the set fighting distractions from what I’ll call “seat vultures”. Individuals who would walk up to the front every few minutes to see if there were seats available in the tent. You could tell they had little to no interest in the act performing; it was if they wanted a spot out of the sun and a seat in the tent was their best bet. All while there were people standing in front of me who had been there for a while, super interested in the act that was performing, and hoping to get into the tent. Unfortunately the “vultures” often won because it’s hard to be fully immersed in the music and fighting for the elusive seat.
This was especially troubling as I watched many people who were in the tent texting or playing Candy Crush during the set. They didn’t sing along when asked. They skipped clapping after a song. (Yes I’ve also seen magical moments where the artist on stage would win these people over and you could witness awe as someone trying to escape the sun discovered a new favorite band; but this shouldn’t come at the expense of another artist playing a good set that didn’t captivate for some reason.)
Has anyone else noticed or experienced this? It seems to happen at both stages, but is worse at the Harbor because there are fewer seats. Additionally, it’s more of an issue at the Harbor because the Harbor lacks good sightlines as soon as you are outside of the tent. Standing more than a few rows back, and you might as well not even try unless you’re above 6 feet. At least the Quad provides a video screen for anyone looking for a good view but can’t get into the tent.
I’m not saying that Newport should forgo the seats. I’d just love to see a better system to ensure those interested in the act playing get the seats. Maybe the first 4-6 rows could get automatically cleared out after every set so that a new batch of people who are interested in the next act can take them over (similar to how pits are operated at many music fests)? And maybe construction of a few shaded seating areas around the festival grounds so anyone looking to escape the sun isn’t limited to a seat up front for a musical act?
*This is not a complaint saying an aspect of the fest is bad. Simply, that I think there is room for improvement over the status quo.
Last Edit: Aug 13, 2019 16:31:10 GMT -5 by k2b - Back to Top
FRIDAY: Fort: Erin Rae > Hiss Golden Messenger > Maren Morris > Brittany Howard > Tyler Childers > Dixie Chicks Quad: Black Pumas > The Marcus King Band > Durand Jones & The Indications > White Denim > James Blake > D'Angelo & The Vanguard Harbor: Jeremy Ivey > Jackie Cohen > Birds of Chicago > The Lemon Twigs > Weyes Blood > Woods & Friends
SATURDAY: Fort: Kyle Craft > Joseph > Delta Spirit > Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers > Leon Bridges > Bon Iver Quad: H.C. McEntire > Kikagaku Moyo > Orville Peck > Bombino > Big Thief > Lucinda Williams Harbor: CHOIR! CHOIR! CHOIR! > Jake Xeres Fussell > The Brother Brothers > Sister Sparrow > Joe Pug > The First Ladies of Bluegrass
SUNDAY: Fort: Pres. Hall > Mandolin Orange > Phoebe Bridgers > Father John Misty > Gillian Welch > DEER TICK & FRIENDS 2020 Quad: Aldous Harding > Kishi Bashi > Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors > Pinegrove > Michael Kiwanuka > Caamp Harbor: Juan Wauters > La Santa Cecilia > William Tyler > Mipso > Craig Finn > Robbie Robertson
What’s everyone’s take on the seating at the Harbor and Quad?
On one hand, I love it. It’s unique. It allows for more intimate performances between the artist and the fans. It’s a break from the sun and allows demographics who might not be able to stand in the sun get up close and personal with the artists. And it’s the way things have been.
But, I had some really negative experiences at the Harbor Stage this year. And... the more I think about it... the more I realize how I’ve always disliked the Harbor Stage and actively avoid it if I don’t think I can get over to it not long after the act before the one I want to see finishes their set.
I was able to get third row standing along one of the interior pathways (which allowed for a breeze and a better view because I was half in the shade)... a nice spot for Nilufer Yanya. But I spent a lot of the set fighting distractions from what I’ll call “seat vultures”. Individuals who would walk up to the front every few minutes to see if there were seats available in the tent. You could tell they had little to no interest in the act performing; it was if they wanted a spot out of the sun and a seat in the tent was their best bet. All while there were people standing in front of me who had been there for a while, super interested in the act that was performing, and hoping to get into the tent. Unfortunately the “vultures” often won because it’s hard to be fully immersed in the music and fighting for the elusive seat.
This was especially troubling as I watched many people who were in the tent texting or playing Candy Crush during the set. They didn’t sing along when asked. They skipped clapping after a song. (Yes I’ve also seen magical moments where the artist on stage would win these people over and you could witness awe as someone trying to escape the sun discovered a new favorite band; but this shouldn’t come at the expense of another artist playing a good set that didn’t captivate for some reason.)
Has anyone else noticed or experienced this? It seems to happen at both stages, but is worse at the Harbor because there are fewer seats. Additionally, it’s more of an issue at the Harbor because the Harbor lacks good sightlines as soon as you are outside of the tent. Standing more than a few rows back, and you might as well not even try unless you’re above 6 feet. At least the Quad provides a video screen for anyone looking for a good view but can’t get into the tent.
I’m not saying that Newport should forgo the seats. I’d just love to see a better system to ensure those interested in the act playing get the seats. Maybe the first 4-6 rows could get automatically cleared out after every set so that a new batch of people who are interested in the next act can take them over (similar to how pits are operated at many music fests)? And maybe construction of a few shaded seating areas around the festival grounds so anyone looking to escape the sun isn’t limited to a seat up front for a musical act?
*This is not a complaint saying an aspect of the fest is bad. Simply, that I think there is room for improvement over the status quo.
It is annoying when disinterested people take seats at the Harbor and the Quad, but I would imagine those people are outliers overall, especially at a festival like this. As far as the seats are concerned, I think the majority of artists on those stages tend to play music where sitting would be ideal for the audience.
FRIDAY: Fort: Erin Rae > Hiss Golden Messenger > Maren Morris > Brittany Howard > Tyler Childers > Dixie Chicks Quad: Black Pumas > The Marcus King Band > Durand Jones & The Indications > White Denim > James Blake > D'Angelo & The Vanguard Harbor: Jeremy Ivey > Jackie Cohen > Birds of Chicago > The Lemon Twigs > Weyes Blood > Woods & Friends
SATURDAY: Fort: Kyle Craft > Joseph > Delta Spirit > Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers > Leon Bridges > Bon Iver Quad: H.C. McEntire > Kikagaku Moyo > Orville Peck > Bombino > Big Thief > Lucinda Williams Harbor: CHOIR! CHOIR! CHOIR! > Jake Xeres Fussell > The Brother Brothers > Sister Sparrow > Joe Pug > The First Ladies of Bluegrass
SUNDAY: Fort: Pres. Hall > Mandolin Orange > Phoebe Bridgers > Father John Misty > Gillian Welch > DEER TICK & FRIENDS 2020 Quad: Aldous Harding > Kishi Bashi > Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors > Pinegrove > Michael Kiwanuka > Caamp Harbor: Juan Wauters > La Santa Cecilia > William Tyler > Mipso > Craig Finn > Robbie Robertson
Love this lineup! I was just thinking about the possibility of James Blake doing a stripped down piano set at Newport. D'Angelo is in my top 5 all time, but he would be a bit of risky act for NFF, not because of his music or if the crowd would dig it, I would just be concerned about him and the band being on time since NFF has a pretty tight schedule to follow. For my tastes, Friday would be too stacked haha, especially the Fort and Quad. Big yes to Leon into Bon Iver, the entire Fort Stage on Sunday and Kiwanuka. Get in touch with Jay and the crew with this greatness
FRIDAY: Fort: Erin Rae > Hiss Golden Messenger > Maren Morris > Brittany Howard > Tyler Childers > Dixie Chicks Quad: Black Pumas > The Marcus King Band > Durand Jones & The Indications > White Denim > James Blake > D'Angelo & The Vanguard Harbor: Jeremy Ivey > Jackie Cohen > Birds of Chicago > The Lemon Twigs > Weyes Blood > Woods & Friends
SATURDAY: Fort: Kyle Craft > Joseph > Delta Spirit > Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers > Leon Bridges > Bon Iver Quad: H.C. McEntire > Kikagaku Moyo > Orville Peck > Bombino > Big Thief > Lucinda Williams Harbor: CHOIR! CHOIR! CHOIR! > Jake Xeres Fussell > The Brother Brothers > Sister Sparrow > Joe Pug > The First Ladies of Bluegrass
SUNDAY: Fort: Pres. Hall > Mandolin Orange > Phoebe Bridgers > Father John Misty > Gillian Welch > DEER TICK & FRIENDS 2020 Quad: Aldous Harding > Kishi Bashi > Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors > Pinegrove > Michael Kiwanuka > Caamp Harbor: Juan Wauters > La Santa Cecilia > William Tyler > Mipso > Craig Finn > Robbie Robertson
Love this lineup! I was just thinking about the possibility of James Blake doing a stripped down piano set at Newport. D'Angelo is in my top 5 all time, but he would be a bit of risky act for NFF, not because of his music or if the crowd would dig it, I would just be concerned about him and the band being on time since NFF has a pretty tight schedule to follow. For my tastes, Friday would be too stacked haha, especially the Fort and Quad. Big yes to Leon into Bon Iver, the entire Fort Stage on Sunday and Kiwanuka. Get in touch with Jay and the crew with this greatness
FRIDAY: Fort: Erin Rae > Hiss Golden Messenger > Maren Morris > Brittany Howard > Tyler Childers > Dixie Chicks Quad: Black Pumas > The Marcus King Band > Durand Jones & The Indications > White Denim > James Blake > D'Angelo & The Vanguard Harbor: Jeremy Ivey > Jackie Cohen > Birds of Chicago > The Lemon Twigs > Weyes Blood > Woods & Friends
SATURDAY: Fort: Kyle Craft > Joseph > Delta Spirit > Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers > Leon Bridges > Bon Iver Quad: H.C. McEntire > Kikagaku Moyo > Orville Peck > Bombino > Big Thief > Lucinda Williams Harbor: CHOIR! CHOIR! CHOIR! > Jake Xeres Fussell > The Brother Brothers > Sister Sparrow > Joe Pug > The First Ladies of Bluegrass
SUNDAY: Fort: Pres. Hall > Mandolin Orange > Phoebe Bridgers > Father John Misty > Gillian Welch > DEER TICK & FRIENDS 2020 Quad: Aldous Harding > Kishi Bashi > Drew Holcomb & The Neighbors > Pinegrove > Michael Kiwanuka > Caamp Harbor: Juan Wauters > La Santa Cecilia > William Tyler > Mipso > Craig Finn > Robbie Robertson
I would spend way too much time at the Fort stage with this schedule...
Post by thevagabond on Aug 13, 2019 23:04:22 GMT -5
d'angelo is never playing this festival and he sure as hell isn't doing anything less than headlining if he is. MAYBE one day he'll play jazz fest but that's highly unlikely.
d'angelo is never playing this festival and he sure as hell isn't doing anything less than headlining if he is. MAYBE one day he'll play jazz fest but that's highly unlikely.
Don't kill my dreams.
Him and a solo Jeff Mangum set will be my forever hopes that never happen
I loved the feminist country theme of 2019 but hoping they mix things up a bit in 2020. Saying that I wouldn't be surprised to see this lady at Newport. Saw her Brandi collaboration mentioned by Rolling Stone this morning. This is from a different site.
Her latest dream-come-true is a collaboration with Grammy-winning Americana artist Brandi Carlile and country icon Tanya Tucker as part of “Five Decades, One Voice,” Cracker Barrel’s 50th-anniversary initiative that celebrates women in country music.
Carlile handpicked Townes for the music-video shoot after being wowed by Townes’ debut single, “Somebody's Daughter,” which tells the moving story of her real-life encounter with a young panhandler on a Nashville street corner.
d'angelo is never playing this festival and he sure as hell isn't doing anything less than headlining if he is. MAYBE one day he'll play jazz fest but that's highly unlikely.
Don't kill my dreams.
Him and a solo Jeff Mangum set will be my forever hopes that never happen
Jeff Mangum is a literal dream - if you’re seeing this Jay, let’s try and make this one work!!
I seem to recall a Jay tweet or Facebook/Reddit post the year Neutral Milk Hotel reunited that Jay had gotten close to booking them but ultimately they couldn’t fit it into their tour schedule.
What’s everyone’s take on the seating at the Harbor and Quad?
On one hand, I love it. It’s unique. It allows for more intimate performances between the artist and the fans. It’s a break from the sun and allows demographics who might not be able to stand in the sun get up close and personal with the artists. And it’s the way things have been.
But, I had some really negative experiences at the Harbor Stage this year. And... the more I think about it... the more I realize how I’ve always disliked the Harbor Stage and actively avoid it if I don’t think I can get over to it not long after the act before the one I want to see finishes their set.
I was able to get third row standing along one of the interior pathways (which allowed for a breeze and a better view because I was half in the shade)... a nice spot for Nilufer Yanya. But I spent a lot of the set fighting distractions from what I’ll call “seat vultures”. Individuals who would walk up to the front every few minutes to see if there were seats available in the tent. You could tell they had little to no interest in the act performing; it was if they wanted a spot out of the sun and a seat in the tent was their best bet. All while there were people standing in front of me who had been there for a while, super interested in the act that was performing, and hoping to get into the tent. Unfortunately the “vultures” often won because it’s hard to be fully immersed in the music and fighting for the elusive seat.
This was especially troubling as I watched many people who were in the tent texting or playing Candy Crush during the set. They didn’t sing along when asked. They skipped clapping after a song. (Yes I’ve also seen magical moments where the artist on stage would win these people over and you could witness awe as someone trying to escape the sun discovered a new favorite band; but this shouldn’t come at the expense of another artist playing a good set that didn’t captivate for some reason.)
Has anyone else noticed or experienced this? It seems to happen at both stages, but is worse at the Harbor because there are fewer seats. Additionally, it’s more of an issue at the Harbor because the Harbor lacks good sightlines as soon as you are outside of the tent. Standing more than a few rows back, and you might as well not even try unless you’re above 6 feet. At least the Quad provides a video screen for anyone looking for a good view but can’t get into the tent.
I’m not saying that Newport should forgo the seats. I’d just love to see a better system to ensure those interested in the act playing get the seats. Maybe the first 4-6 rows could get automatically cleared out after every set so that a new batch of people who are interested in the next act can take them over (similar to how pits are operated at many music fests)? And maybe construction of a few shaded seating areas around the festival grounds so anyone looking to escape the sun isn’t limited to a seat up front for a musical act?
*This is not a complaint saying an aspect of the fest is bad. Simply, that I think there is room for improvement over the status quo.
i have many thoughts on this that will take a few days to organize but I first want to say thank you for this rational idea and discussion prompt. loved the way you laid it out. there are definitely issues but overall i think it's what makes Newport unique. it has forced me the last few years to opt for full sets vs bouncing around because outside of thr fort it is almost impossible for me to enjoy a set i am not in a seat for at Newport due to the logistics. you are right about most of the issues revolving around the harbor stage. this year I saw i think 3 sets there. these were literally the first sets i saw there in at least 3 years, due to a combination of the schedule and the logistics of that particular stage.
my only complaint about the quad seating is that every year, and it's more noticeable each year, there are so many people seemily wandering through. some looking for seats, some appear to be straight up wandering. they'll walk all the way to the front of the stage, do a little searching twirl, then keep walking. its unbelievable! the least you could do is get a little lower when you walk through to at least try to show you know you're being an idiot and in the way.
Post by thevagabond on Aug 14, 2019 14:19:32 GMT -5
also Newport is the rare music event where people don't really talk through sets, so the only distraction is typically visual, to which you can just close your eyes to block it out and focus on the music.
also Newport is the rare music event where people don't really talk through sets, so the only distraction is typically visual, to which you can just close your eyes to block it out and focus on the music.
Unfortunately I think it’s a little more of a problem than a simple visual distraction.
If an artist isn’t getting the right feedback because those in the front rows have never heard of that artist and are just waiting out the sun, that artist might not fully open up to the audience.
It results in some moments that I have trouble deciding if they are endearing or embarrassing. I want to say it was during Phoebe Bridgers’ set last year that someone in the 4th row yelled out during the set “Who are you?”
As I mentioned, it was cringeworthy to an extent and before she answered some fans tried to answer on her behalf. But on the other hand, it proved that Phoebe made it. She connected with the crowd and those who were texting were now paying attention. She had knowingly generated new fans. And I think the set ended up being better for it.
Can you imagine that Jupiter and Okwess set if the band didn’t have the guts to call off security and bring the crowd dancing along the side into the tent? Prior to that, I think I was the only one dancing in the tent. That set would have been a lot less epic without that energy from those truly into it...
Similarly, I feel like the O’My’s had trouble connecting at first. Those super into the set seemed to be on the outskirts of the tent. Yes, it was still great, and they won the audience midway through the set with a song which got the audience standing and dancing (and paying attention after that... even though everyone sat back down).
Last Edit: Aug 14, 2019 14:57:55 GMT -5 by k2b - Back to Top
I've never been so I don't know all of the logistics, but one of my main concerns has always been reading about all of this seating and not enough room to stand around and/or dance around... Would it be that hard to put a barrier down the middle and have seating on one side and standing room on the other? Sure it might be a little awkward, but it sounds less awkward than some of these situations you guys are describing.
I've never been so I don't know all of the logistics, but one of my main concerns has always been reading about all of this seating and not enough room to stand around and/or dance around... Would it be that hard to put a barrier down the middle and have seating on one side and standing room on the other? Sure it might be a little awkward, but it sounds less awkward than some of these situations you guys are describing.
I want to reiterate that the seats aren’t necessarily a bad thing.
1) I expect that having the seats in the shaded tents actually helps acts earlier in the day play to larger audiences. In some ways, Jay wants you to be listening to music while you’re relaxing - showing up for the bands - and not off in the beer garden or tailgating in the parking lot waiting until the bigger names to come in.
2) Most of the acts I named play upbeat music; while I think the seats can be an issue for bands with more upbeat songs (but not quite upbeat enough it demands everyone to stand), the seats can help keep the audience attentive during the more solemn acts that are also booked at a folk fest.
3) The seats are part of the legacy of a fest like Newport. There are a lot of fests that don’t have seats one could go to if one dislikes them.
4) Seats provide more opportune listening/viewing experiences to all demographics. And in terms of age and life cycle of attendees, Newport is fairly diverse (that’s about where the diversity stops though). Not many 60 year olds toting around a grandchild can get front row at most music fests - at Newport it’s quite feasible.
That said, I personally believe there’s room for improvements. Your idea to split the tent down the middle such that half the tent is standing and half the tent is seated is interesting for sure. Even if closer to a 80 seating / 20 standing split. I’m willing to entertain it.
In my earlier post I simply suggest taking the first handful or two of rows of seats and emptying them after each set. To ensure that people actively interested in the next set get them. And to prevent campers from finding a good seat and holding it all day.
I also think part of the issue at these tents is that if you are not seated, you’re outside of the tent standing (or sitting in your own chair/blanket). And the difference in lighting (standing in the sun and looking into a shadow) makes it really hard to get a good view of what’s happening on stage. Having the screen at the Quad Stage helps. But there is no such screen at the Harbor Stage. At the very least I’d like to see a few rows/columns of seats removed so that people could stand under the tent out of the sun as well (they toyed around with this idea this year at the Quad Stage, and I think it was a huge improvement).
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 14, 2019 15:44:51 GMT -5
Why not just set up more long shade tents in the back for standers/dancers? Like leave a small walkway between the back of the quad tent and the shade tent but it would be somewhere that folks who just want out of the sub could hang.
I'm sure more shade with good views would help cut down on those. But it wouldn't fix all the issues
I've never been so I don't know all of the logistics, but one of my main concerns has always been reading about all of this seating and not enough room to stand around and/or dance around... Would it be that hard to put a barrier down the middle and have seating on one side and standing room on the other? Sure it might be a little awkward, but it sounds less awkward than some of these situations you guys are describing.
I want to reiterate that the seats aren’t necessarily a bad thing.
1) I expect that having the seats in the shaded tents actually helps acts earlier in the day play to larger audiences. In some ways, Jay wants you to be listening to music while you’re relaxing - showing up for the bands - and not off in the beer garden or tailgating in the parking lot waiting until the bigger names to come in.
2) Most of the acts I named play upbeat music; while I think the seats can be an issue for bands with more upbeat songs (but not quite upbeat enough it demands everyone to stand), the seats can help keep the audience attentive during the more solemn acts that are also booked at a folk fest.
3) The seats are part of the legacy of a fest like Newport. There are a lot of fests that don’t have seats one could go to if one dislikes them.
4) Seats provide more opportune listening/viewing experiences to all demographics. And in terms of age and life cycle of attendees, Newport is fairly diverse (that’s about where the diversity stops though). Not many 60 year olds toting around a grandchild can get front row at most music fests - at Newport it’s quite feasible.
That said, I personally believe there’s room for improvements. Your idea to split the tent down the middle such that half the tent is standing and half the tent is seated is interesting for sure. Even if closer to a 80 seating / 20 standing split. I’m willing to entertain it.
In my earlier post I simply suggest taking the first handful or two of rows of seats and emptying them after each set. To ensure that people actively interested in the next set get them. And to prevent campers from finding a good seat and holding it all day.
I also think part of the issue at these tents is that if you are not seated, you’re outside of the tent standing (or sitting in your own chair/blanket). And the difference in lighting (standing in the sun and looking into a shadow) makes it really hard to get a good view of what’s happening on stage. Having the screen at the Quad Stage helps. But there is no such screen at the Harbor Stage. At the very least I’d like to see a few rows/columns of seats removed so that people could stand under the tent out of the sun as well (they toyed around with this idea this year at the Quad Stage, and I think it was a huge improvement).
Yeah I would be very in favor of them clearing out the front section in the quad and all of the harbor seats in between sets and adding shade areas, maybe with seats/picnic tables/whatever
But while we're talking logistics - the seating has never bothered me as much as the lines to get into the fest on Sat/Sun did. I'm pretty surprised Newport didn't even comment on that. Were people not as angry as me about it taking almost an hour to get in?
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 14, 2019 18:12:35 GMT -5
You know if they got rid of the seats then people would just claim space with blankets like they already do on the edges and main stage. Then there'd be a ton of blanket people who would get annoyed if you stepped on their blanket or if you were in front of it, standing, since they were gone for two whole sets but then expected to come back and have no one blocking them.
They did seem extra vigilant about letting people save seats. Obviously there were still people saving seats but I saw a lot more than usual where the staff would tell people you can't save it (unless they're like....literally right there or in the bathroom).
Oh, and the line to get in was absolutely brutal. Saturday not as bad because we got there pretty early before things opened but on Sunday I rolled in a little later and the line was the longest I had ever seen. It took quite a while to get in. I think part of that was also they gave up enforcing the bag lines .vs. no bag lines .vs. family lines. By the time I was going in Sunday it was just "any line" works which of course means people in three lines are holding things up with bag checks and chair checks.
In regards to the Quad, the rules up there are fine
For the Harbor, they should get rid of the seats under the tent and not allow blankets over there either. There's not enough room over there to have all that plus the flow of traffic between the Fort and Quad.
Jay has already addressed the seats under the tents. They can’t change that per Fire Marshall.
So there is a maximum number of people that are allowed under each tent? That doesn't make much sense since there can be unlimited people around the tent that would impede people under the tent in the event of a fire. Also the harbor tent has the blocked off walkway on one side and the wall of the fort on the other side, so it's hard to believe that the density under the tent is the thing that's breaking a fire code.
Then again, I know Jay doesn't make these kinds of rules and the Newport team is just trying to be cooperative with authorities.
I agree with others who have suggested clearing the front rows in between sets. I much prefer to stand at the Harbor stage since I don't like cramming my long legs into those tiny aisles. I've never had a problem with the quad seating, and I liked the added standing areas in the back this year.
They should make the quad tent 30%+ larger, but keep the seating the same, allowing more standing room under the tent. The increase in standing room this year was great, but more would be even better. Similarly, they should extend the quad stage tent back 20 ft or so to have some shaded standing room and enforce a no blanket policy there.
This doesn't address seats under the tents, but Jay posted this regarding a request for more shade tents/areas: "every shade tent counts as a "Structure" to the fire marshall which means we have to lower the capacity of the over all site, or we lose vendors.... it's a speck of land in the middle of a bay"
This doesn't address seats under the tents, but Jay posted this regarding a request for more shade tents/areas: "every shade tent counts as a "Structure" to the fire marshall which means we have to lower the capacity of the over all site, or we lose vendors.... it's a speck of land in the middle of a bay"
8/30/2019:
Jay:
“I can’t find the comment about why we don’t do away with the chairs under the tents.....A: State Fire Code Regulation requirement.”
They should make the quad tent 30%+ larger, but keep the seating the same, allowing more standing room under the tent. The increase in standing room this year was great, but more would be even better. Similarly, they should extend the quad stage tent back 20 ft or so to have some shaded standing room and enforce a no blanket policy there.
This was asked by someone as well. Answer was that the tent they have is the largest they can get in. Because they can’t get a truck into the quad. They have to cart the tent in.
They should make the quad tent 30%+ larger, but keep the seating the same, allowing more standing room under the tent. The increase in standing room this year was great, but more would be even better. Similarly, they should extend the quad stage tent back 20 ft or so to have some shaded standing room and enforce a no blanket policy there.
This was asked by someone as well. Answer was that the tent they have is the largest they can get in. Because they can’t get a truck into the quad. They have to cart the tent in.
Wow, never considered how the tent gets in there, that's crazy
They should make the quad tent 30%+ larger, but keep the seating the same, allowing more standing room under the tent. The increase in standing room this year was great, but more would be even better. Similarly, they should extend the quad stage tent back 20 ft or so to have some shaded standing room and enforce a no blanket policy there.
This was asked by someone as well. Answer was that the tent they have is the largest they can get in. Because they can’t get a truck into the quad. They have to cart the tent in.
Wow. Great sleuthing everyone! Thanks for helping me understand the reason for what they do.
I still think clearing out the first few rows of seats after each set makes sense.
And, in addition to the new standing area at the back of the Quad, I’d prevent any blankets from being placed under the tent in the back of the Quad to make a second come-and-go-as-you-please standing area there.
This sounds like it might not be feasible due to fire code regulations, but I’d also consider connecting the side of the Harbor Stage tent structure to the wall of the fort with one (or more of those) those fabric shade sails. And let the people who stand over there get some shade AND a better view of the stage.
It’s a bit of a shame that the Fire Marshall, to prevent the risk of fire, is increasing the risk of dehydration, sun poisoning, etc. But rules are rules.