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Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 15, 2019 17:03:56 GMT -5
I don't really like the clearing of first few rows after each set. If I know I love all the acts that day and plan to stay there all day and get a prime spot like that but are then forced to leave after each set of be really bummed. There are times where myself or someone I'm at the festival with plans to be at one stage for all or most of the day.
I don't really like the clearing of first few rows after each set. If I know I love all the acts that day and plan to stay there all day and get a prime spot like that but are then forced to leave after each set of be really bummed. There are times where myself or someone I'm at the festival with plans to be at one stage for all or most of the day.
Couldn't you just get a seat that's not in the first few rows?
I don't really like the clearing of first few rows after each set. If I know I love all the acts that day and plan to stay there all day and get a prime spot like that but are then forced to leave after each set of be really bummed. There are times where myself or someone I'm at the festival with plans to be at one stage for all or most of the day.
Couldn't you just get a seat that's not in the first few rows?
Sure, maybe. Sometimes that's easier said than done and I'm also thinking of the people who won't know that ahead of time. They'd have to make the change really known ahead of time. Could put a stink on someone's first Folk Fest. Plus, while there's not a bad seat in the first few rows it is pretty awesome watching some of your favorite acts in the first row without worrying about people squeezing by or leg room.
Then what about the slippery slope of people in the third or fourth row who are now just acting like The people who used to be in the first row? Is the main complaint about people who aren't into the show/just on their phones and are there either staying out of the sun or waiting for acts later on in the day? Wouldn't this just kind of move things back a few rows and then create a mad dash for chairs between each set (potentially creating some new problems). It's bad enough when people zoom in after each set for chairs now...imagine even more people all fighting for the first few rows lol
Just feels like it could lead to the problem being relocated (but not solved) and people who make the effort to see multiple sets in one of the best seats getting the shaft. You kick people out of the first few rows there's not a guarantee they'll be able to grab a seat further back (especially if with multiple people). It's possible you'd be kicking out the hardcore fans into the hot sun if they can't find a spot after being cleared out.
Just thinking about possible issues it would cause. For all I know it would fix some things.
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Couldn't you just get a seat that's not in the first few rows?
Sure, maybe. Sometimes that's easier said than done and I'm also thinking of the people who won't know that ahead of time. They'd have to make the change really known ahead of time. Could put a stink on someone's first Folk Fest. Plus, while there's not a bad seat in the first few rows it is pretty awesome watching some of your favorite acts in the first row without worrying about people squeezing by or leg room.
Then what about the slippery slope of people in the third or fourth row who are now just acting like The people who used to be in the first row? Is the main complaint about people who aren't into the show/just on their phones and are there either staying out of the sun or waiting for acts later on in the day? Wouldn't this just kind of move things back a few rows and then create a mad dash for chairs between each set (potentially creating some new problems). It's bad enough when people zoom in after each set for chairs now...imagine even more people all fighting for the first few rows lol
Just feels like it could lead to the problem being relocated (but not solved) and people who make the effort to see multiple sets in one of the best seats getting the shaft. You kick people out of the first few rows there's not a guarantee they'll be able to grab a seat further back (especially if with multiple people). It's possible you'd be kicking out the hardcore fans into the hot sun if they can't find a spot after being cleared out.
Just thinking about possible issues it would cause. For all I know it would fix some things.
I think the main fix is that it ensures those who really want to see the current act are in the first few rows. So that the artist gets direct feedback from the audience instead of a shout “Who are you?”. And that those in the first few rows can contagiously set the mood for the rest of the audience.
Too often there’s an act putting out energy deserving of a standing audience, but nobody wants to be the first person to stand. And a lot of the people in the front aren’t those who might be there for that specific act as the ones most likely to stand.
It would be fairly easy to implement (i.e., you put a piece of red tape on each of the chairs in the corresponding rows; you put signs on the ends of each row; and you announce the change through Facebook and email). It would still meet fire code regulations.
It doesn’t solve all problems, no. You’ll still have the seat vultures fighting for open seats behind this zone. But it at least won’t happen at the burden of the fans in the front who are into the artist.
Those who want to stay at the stage all day can find a spot in the 6th row. Still a great seat. And it’ll be nice to know that everyone in front you is as equally excited and enthusiastic as you are.
Many festivals have adopted similar strategies for their pits. They now don’t put VIP tickets in the front/pit because they want there to be the appropriate audience-artist interaction, and instead put the VIP section behind the pit. They also clear the pit out after each set. Lines are used to manage the chaos.
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Sure, maybe. Sometimes that's easier said than done and I'm also thinking of the people who won't know that ahead of time. They'd have to make the change really known ahead of time. Could put a stink on someone's first Folk Fest. Plus, while there's not a bad seat in the first few rows it is pretty awesome watching some of your favorite acts in the first row without worrying about people squeezing by or leg room.
Then what about the slippery slope of people in the third or fourth row who are now just acting like The people who used to be in the first row? Is the main complaint about people who aren't into the show/just on their phones and are there either staying out of the sun or waiting for acts later on in the day? Wouldn't this just kind of move things back a few rows and then create a mad dash for chairs between each set (potentially creating some new problems). It's bad enough when people zoom in after each set for chairs now...imagine even more people all fighting for the first few rows lol
Just feels like it could lead to the problem being relocated (but not solved) and people who make the effort to see multiple sets in one of the best seats getting the shaft. You kick people out of the first few rows there's not a guarantee they'll be able to grab a seat further back (especially if with multiple people). It's possible you'd be kicking out the hardcore fans into the hot sun if they can't find a spot after being cleared out.
Just thinking about possible issues it would cause. For all I know it would fix some things.
I think the main fix is that it ensures those who really want to see the current act are in the first few rows. So that the artist gets direct feedback from the audience instead of a shout “Who are you?”. And that those in the first few rows can contagiously set the mood for the rest of the audience.
Too often there’s an act putting out energy deserving of a standing audience, but nobody wants to be the first person to stand. And a lot of the people in the front aren’t those who might be there for that specific act as the ones most likely to stand.
Most of your post I agree with and it all makes sense. I guess I feel like this particular thing is where I think about myself and others I know who have had front rows (or would have liked front rows for multiple sets). I think it's unfair to assume that people who get in early or grab a prime spot in one of those first rows is ONLY there for the one set. Sure, I'm guessing there's some that end up there but to kick out EVERYONE just to deal with a few (and that's assuming there will definitely be people in the front rows who aren't into the current act) feels like it could be more frustrating than helpful but I don't really know.
Just for example, this year I was at the Quad on Friday for I'm With Her -> Lukas Nelson -> The Highwomen. Now, I didn't get a spot under the tent but I knew I'd be at this stage for these three (leaving Highwomen a little early for Todd Snider). But if I did grab a seat in the first few rows I'd be bummed out if I got kicked out into the sun after a set.
I also know a handful of people who grabbed front row seats for a line of sets and they were more than enthusiastic and standing up when seemed good. Again, kicking them out when I know they are really into it just feels like a punishment JUST IN CASE some other people aren't super into what's coming up/playing now.
Again, playing devil's advocate here and just thinking how, if this kind of rule was implemented, it would affect me and others who put in the effort to get close/get in early. Definitely open to changes as I've liked a number of them that have come the past few years. Particularly I felt there was some more good standing space in the back of the quad under the shade (mostly on the sides, with no blankets). And man, do I love that they pushed back blankets/chairs at the Fort a few years back because having that standing room is so much nicer.
I'm weighing the balance between people in the front rows not being into the sets/just getting shade or waiting .vs. people in the front rows being enthusiastic and responsive to sets and I feel like the "not into it" people are in the minority. I don't think a ton of sets get the "Who are you?" treatment at this particular festival. At least not in my experience but we all have different experiences at sets so maybe i've been lucky.
I think the main fix is that it ensures those who really want to see the current act are in the first few rows. So that the artist gets direct feedback from the audience instead of a shout “Who are you?”. And that those in the first few rows can contagiously set the mood for the rest of the audience.
Too often there’s an act putting out energy deserving of a standing audience, but nobody wants to be the first person to stand. And a lot of the people in the front aren’t those who might be there for that specific act as the ones most likely to stand.
Most of your post I agree with and it all makes sense. I guess I feel like this particular thing is where I think about myself and others I know who have had front rows (or would have liked front rows for multiple sets). I think it's unfair to assume that people who get in early or grab a prime spot in one of those first rows is ONLY there for the one set. Sure, I'm guessing there's some that end up there but to kick out EVERYONE just to deal with a few (and that's assuming there will definitely be people in the front rows who aren't into the current act) feels like it could be more frustrating than helpful but I don't really know.
Just for example, this year I was at the Quad on Friday for I'm With Her -> Lukas Nelson -> The Highwomen. Now, I didn't get a spot under the tent but I knew I'd be at this stage for these three (leaving Highwomen a little early for Todd Snider). But if I did grab a seat in the first few rows I'd be bummed out if I got kicked out into the sun after a set.
I also know a handful of people who grabbed front row seats for a line of sets and they were more than enthusiastic and standing up when seemed good. Again, kicking them out when I know they are really into it just feels like a punishment JUST IN CASE some other people aren't super into what's coming up/playing now.
Again, playing devil's advocate here and just thinking how, if this kind of rule was implemented, it would affect me and others who put in the effort to get close/get in early. Definitely open to changes as I've liked a number of them that have come the past few years. Particularly I felt there was some more good standing space in the back of the quad under the shade (mostly on the sides, with no blankets). And man, do I love that they pushed back blankets/chairs at the Fort a few years back because having that standing room is so much nicer.
I'm weighing the balance between people in the front rows not being into the sets/just getting shade or waiting .vs. people in the front rows being enthusiastic and responsive to sets and I feel like the "not into it" people are in the minority. I don't think a ton of sets get the "Who are you?" treatment at this particular festival. At least not in my experience but we all have different experiences at sets so maybe i've been lucky.
But it's not like people would rush in, grab a front row seat, and then shockingly be kicked out after the set. If you're there for one artist that you really want to see you get in line to get in those front rows, If you're gonna be hanging at the stage for a couple sets you go look for a seat out of all of the other available seats. I don't see how that's a problem really. You could even find a seat in the 6th row for a couple sets then get into the "pit" rows for one of them. If you're worried about finding a new spot after getting kicked out then you should probably just shouldn't have gone into those rows. All seems worth it to consistently fill those front rows with the biggest fans.
Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 16, 2019 12:31:24 GMT -5
I guess in my experience at those stages I've usually felt the ones in the front rows are the biggest fans. I know everyone's experience is different and different shows will have different vibes and things but at the quad especially I've felt it is always the really hardcore fans and not just people getting out of the sun/scrolling through their phone and refusing to stand. Maybe I've just not paid close enough attention to it.
I noticed that sort of thing much more at the fort before they added a pit/line chairs and blankets can't go past. That was always terrible trying to get close and hearing complaints from people who just want to sit and read a book until the headliner. At quad and harbor I haven't seen that really but I may just be focusing on the stage more I guess. I don't doubt it happens but I may have just been lucky
If the rest of the new Taylor Swift album sounds anything like that new single, she'll likely be doing Newport next year. (Doesn't she own a home there?)
If the rest of the new Taylor Swift album sounds anything like that new single, she'll likely be doing Newport next year. (Doesn't she own a home there?)
She does have a house in Westerly, but there's no way she's ever playing Newport.
Unless they start charging over $500 for a three day pass, the budget isn't gonna come remotely close to whatever she wants. And she seems like the type of person that cares more for the bag than actually doing it for the love of music.
Also, her music is trash. Let her play Gillette every year or two.
I guess in my experience at those stages I've usually felt the ones in the front rows are the biggest fans. I know everyone's experience is different and different shows will have different vibes and things but at the quad especially I've felt it is always the really hardcore fans and not just people getting out of the sun/scrolling through their phone and refusing to stand. Maybe I've just not paid close enough attention to it.
I noticed that sort of thing much more at the fort before they added a pit/line chairs and blankets can't go past. That was always terrible trying to get close and hearing complaints from people who just want to sit and read a book until the headliner. At quad and harbor I haven't seen that really but I may just be focusing on the stage more I guess. I don't doubt it happens but I may have just been lucky
I agree with you from my perspective. It takes serious effort to get up close at either stage and the only time I get seats is when I'm really into someone and know that I"m staying for the whole set. I've never noticed these "seat vultures", so it hasn't affected my experience.
I've only been going to Newport since the current implementation of the fort stage, but for me it's one of the most navigable venues of I've ever been to.
If the rest of the new Taylor Swift album sounds anything like that new single, she'll likely be doing Newport next year. (Doesn't she own a home there?)
If the rest of the new Taylor Swift album sounds anything like that new single, she'll likely be doing Newport next year. (Doesn't she own a home there?)
She does have a house in Westerly, but there's no way she's ever playing Newport.
Unless they start charging over $500 for a three day pass, the budget isn't gonna come remotely close to whatever she wants. And she seems like the type of person that cares more for the bag than actually doing it for the love of music.
Also, her music is trash. Let her play Gillette every year or two.
She does have a house in Westerly, but there's no way she's ever playing Newport.
Unless they start charging over $500 for a three day pass, the budget isn't gonna come remotely close to whatever she wants. And she seems like the type of person that cares more for the bag than actually doing it for the love of music.
Also, her music is trash. Let her play Gillette every year or two.
I hate being negative when proceeds go to charity, but not a huge fan of this; this is akin to VIP. Those with the most money can buy the setlists.
Wish it was more of a raffle where you could could buy tickets for a few dollars and then enter to win one of the setlists. Do those with more money have a higher likelihood of getting the setlist? Yes. But at least I know I have a chance and am not going to get outbid by Mr(s). Moneypants.
* Less than 5 minutes in and Highwomen setlist already up to $100.
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Post by itrainmonkeys on Aug 20, 2019 15:38:45 GMT -5
Setlists have always been an ideal souvenir. I hope they still allow a few to be given out. I definitely saw people denying giving them out but pretty sure I saw some folks get some.
Glad I got a glorietta one before they started doing this.
Sturgill getting no love from country radio, so instead is going full on Black Keys rootsy rock in a bid for alternative radio.
There's an anime film on Netflix accompanying the release of his new album. He's also acting in a new Blumhouse movie called The Hunt, co-written by LOST co-creator Damon Lindelhof, the release of which has been delayed indefinitely.
Post by sigurrosfan on Aug 20, 2019 21:06:36 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen anyone on these threads mention Hawktail as a possible Newport artist. If you've never heard of Hawktail, you've probably heard of at least one of the musicians. Hawktail is a four person folk/bluegrass group featuring Brittany Haas on fiddle (Crooked Still, Prairie Home Companion/Live From Here), Paul Kowert on bass (Punch Brothers), Jordan Tice on guitar, and Dominick Leslie on mandolin. They released an album in 2018 called "Unless".
I don't think I've seen anyone on these threads mention Hawktail as a possible Newport artist. If you've never heard of Hawktail, you've probably heard of at least one of the musicians. Hawktail is a four person folk/bluegrass group featuring Brittany Haas on fiddle (Crooked Still, Prairie Home Companion/Live From Here), Paul Kowert on bass (Punch Brothers), Jordan Tice on guitar, and Dominick Leslie on mandolin. They released an album in 2018 called "Unless".
Hawktail are great. Don’t think they have been mentioned either.
Post by timbobsnow on Aug 22, 2019 11:20:28 GMT -5
Courtney Marie Andrews posted on fb that she is a part of an all women Tom Waits covers album, she covers Downtown Train. That would be an awesome set for Newport, and maybe a strategic move to get Mr. Waits to show up
I’m torn on this. While the money goes to a good cause, they seem to be shifting towards more and more ways to bring in money, but how far will it go?. I just worry it starts to diminish the folk family atmosphere that I’ve come to love about the festival.
The raffle idea k2 mentioned does have a bit more appeal to me than a straight-up auction.
Then again, a $3 bump in ticket prices would likely raise more than all of these auctions combined.
Tangentially, I’m still curious why none of the set audio has been released yet this year.
Courtney Marie Andrews posted on fb that she is a part of an all women Tom Waits covers album, she covers Downtown Train. That would be an awesome set for Newport, and maybe a strategic move to get Mr. Waits to show up
The list of artists on it would certainly fit in easily at Newport. They have to do something with this at the festival.
