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Post by TickleMeElmo on Aug 19, 2020 16:30:12 GMT -5
Sunday Service is still considered a gospel side project and their performances are usually more intimate affairs except for Credit Union 1 Arena and Bayfront Park, both sold out I think. There hasn't been a proper non-gospel Kanye set since 2016.
"Tollet confirmed all of this to the Times and said he hopes to book Kanye to headline in the future. “He has some great [production] ideas, but we just weren’t able to pull them off right now,” Tollett said. “I’d like to circle back with him and figure out a future plan of what to do with what’s in his head…Up until Jan. 1, we were making a poster with Kanye on it. We started realizing we’re probably going to have an impasse production-wise.”"
"It sounded like a dome in the middle of the field. We had already turned our plans in for the main stage to the city and it would have been too hard to change things around."
So do this mean Kanye is finally getting his dome?
Nahh Kanye changes his mind like a girl changes clothes
Kanye is such a polarizing figure in 2020. Coachella would be stupid to book him now. They already get so much flak for the anti-gay bs. Having an insane fascist-supporter headline will only decrease the fest’s social value even more.
"Tollet confirmed all of this to the Times and said he hopes to book Kanye to headline in the future. “He has some great [production] ideas, but we just weren’t able to pull them off right now,” Tollett said. “I’d like to circle back with him and figure out a future plan of what to do with what’s in his head…Up until Jan. 1, we were making a poster with Kanye on it. We started realizing we’re probably going to have an impasse production-wise.”"
"It sounded like a dome in the middle of the field. We had already turned our plans in for the main stage to the city and it would have been too hard to change things around."
So do this mean Kanye is finally getting his dome?
Sunday Service is a whole nother thing. nobody is going there to hear Kanye rap.
At the coachella set in 2018 (5 months after CFG btw), he played All falls down, ultralight beam, lift yourself, Jesus walks, Otis, father stretch my hands pt. 1 and 2, Power, etc. and brought out guests like chance, DMX, and Teyona Taylor. I’m not sure how this doesn’t qualify to you as a “Kanye event” but I assure you, it was.
it's essentially an acoustic show, and Kanye is definitely not rapping those songs during these.
At the coachella set in 2018 (5 months after CFG btw), he played All falls down, ultralight beam, lift yourself, Jesus walks, Otis, father stretch my hands pt. 1 and 2, Power, etc. and brought out guests like chance, DMX, and Teyona Taylor. I’m not sure how this doesn’t qualify to you as a “Kanye event” but I assure you, it was.
it's essentially an acoustic show, and Kanye is definitely not rapping those songs during these.
It was definitely him rapping at Coachella because he kept forgetting lyrics.
At the coachella set in 2018 (5 months after CFG btw), he played All falls down, ultralight beam, lift yourself, Jesus walks, Otis, father stretch my hands pt. 1 and 2, Power, etc. and brought out guests like chance, DMX, and Teyona Taylor. I’m not sure how this doesn’t qualify to you as a “Kanye event” but I assure you, it was.
it's essentially an acoustic show, and Kanye is definitely not rapping those songs during these.
I was there. He definitely rapped on a couple of them. Like TME said, I don’t really qualify any KSG or Sunday service shows as proper Kanye sets. But if you are going to classify the CFG set as a Kanye event, you can’t ignore Sunday service stuff either.
it's essentially an acoustic show, and Kanye is definitely not rapping those songs during these.
I was there. He definitely rapped on a couple of them. Like TME said, I don’t really qualify any KSG or Sunday service shows as proper Kanye sets. But if you are going to classify the CFG set as a Kanye event, you can’t ignore Sunday service stuff either.
the difference is that at Flog Gnaw, people were anticipating Kanye playing a couple of his hits, in the original style they were composed and released, over main stage speakers.
you know you're not getting that with Sunday Service.
I feel like people in their late 20s through 30s are done with Kanye, but from my experience, younger people seem to still be holding on to him, despite the political shenanigans. I think a Kanye booking would be roasted in the press, have a lot of people who wouldn't go anyway saying they would boycott, etc., but would pull a huge crowd on the actual grounds with most people legitimately excited and the rest just curious to watch the trainwreck/be part of whatever newsworthy moment happens.
And, I have little faith left in Kanye creatively at this point. He seems to be in the Artist Formerly Known as Prince stage of his journey, and hopefully in a few years he can come back as an enduring, and more stable, legend.
I feel like people in their late 20s through 30s are done with Kanye, but from my experience, younger people seem to still be holding on to him, despite the political shenanigans. I think a Kanye booking would be roasted in the press, have a lot of people who wouldn't go anyway saying they would boycott, etc., but would pull a huge crowd on the actual grounds with most people legitimately excited and the rest just curious to watch the trainwreck/be part of whatever newsworthy moment happens.
And, I have little faith left in Kanye creatively at this point. He seems to be in the Artist Formerly Known as Prince stage of his journey, and hopefully in a few years he can come back as an enduring, and more stable, legend.
But even at that point, Prince was still a top tier live performer. That is something which never went away despite not having such solid late career Musical output. Kanye has now diminished in that area with the Sunday Service because hardly requires that much effort by him to carry a performance. So unless he went back to life of pablo and prior performance level, it just wont be enough for anyone. The Flog Gnaw show might be the last interesting thing he might ever do.
Post by thepiratepenguin on Aug 21, 2020 0:03:33 GMT -5
I understand that social media brings out the angriest and least rational voices, but man, people were pissed about Weekend 1 last year not getting Sunday Service, were offering to swap their passes for weekend 2, and made W2 the more expensive weekend on the second-hand market for the first time ever. Coachella's attendees are still very much interested in Kanye, and I'd argue there would be more demand than 2011 for a real, non-churchy Kanye performance.
I mean, he did a mini KSG show at Coachella the night before. So if you were at Cudi and Sunday Service you got Feel the Love, Father Stretch My Hands (x2), Reborn, Freeee, Ghost Town, All Falls Down, and Jesus Walks.
And I guess ULB cuz let’s face it, ye is not what makes that track so great
But man, if Ye has a show comprised entirely of MBDTF, Yeezus, Pablo, and KSG I would pay disgusting amounts of money to see it Edit: so long as he doesn’t say something too stupid
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I understand that social media brings out the angriest and least rational voices, but man, people were pissed about Weekend 1 last year not getting Sunday Service, were offering to swap their passes for weekend 2, and made W2 the more expensive weekend on the second-hand market for the first time ever. Coachella's attendees are still very much interested in Kanye, and I'd argue there would be more demand than 2011 for a real, non-churchy Kanye performance.
I also think Kanye is still one of the biggest current names out there to book. I'd put Beyoncé, Rihanna, Taylor, Adele, Bieber and Drake over Kanye right now (maybe Ed Sheeran & Coldplay too). He's still comfortably a top 10 current get a festival could book.
But man, if Ye has a show comprised entirely of MBDTF, Yeezus, Pablo, and KSG I would pay disgusting amounts of money to see it Edit: so long as he doesn’t say something too stupid
Remember that he was supposed to headline last year too when he was still doing Sunday Service sets so that makes me wonder what his set would've actually been like. I'm not so sure he was going to do a Sunday Service set on the main stage.
People are talking about this potential Kanye show like it would be great as long as he wouldn't go off the rails on politics/crazed stuff, but if you knew that you would get precisely the Kids See Ghosts show from Flog Gnaw would that get people on here excited? 45 minute set with 0 top 20 Kanye songs? That would be whack for me.
I feel like people in their late 20s through 30s are done with Kanye, but from my experience, younger people seem to still be holding on to him, despite the political shenanigans.
anecdotal, but i found out a couple months ago that my 17 year old niece is obsessed with kanye's music. her favorite album is Yeezus, which makes me very proud.
we didn't get into the politics but she is very much a liberal, so i'm sure she feels conflicted. having said that i try to imagine being a young person and hearing albums like Yeezus or MBDTF for the first time, and having to grapple with kanye's current public persona while simultaneously being blown away by the sheer weight of his catalog.
Post by Delicious Meatball Sub on Aug 21, 2020 8:39:18 GMT -5
So I dug through through the 2019 thread. Right after Sunday Service was announced, weekend 2 tickets were going for $375 on Stubhub. That was about $40 more than Wk1 but still well below face. By the week of the fest, that difference had evaporated and wk1 tickets were $308 and wk2 were $285.
So let’s put to bed the “there was crazy demand for Sunday Service” takes.
Post by problem dog on Aug 21, 2020 10:59:42 GMT -5
"Kanye is still a major headliner" probably had juice in late 2018 when we expected him to be there in 2019. But I find it very weird that there's been so much effort taken in this thread to separate the Jesus albums and Sunday Service from "real" Kanye. That's who he is now. I want him to come back as much as anybody, but there's no reason to think a 2021 set will have more of the classic material than your average Sunday Service. Even his casual fans know where he's at right now.
Also wouldn't expect much ambiguity about what kind of set he's going to play. Dude will clear that up on Twitter an hour after the poster drops.
The “Kanye sold out Camp Flog” take is also overblown since that festival sold out the year before and the year after he played with KSG.
2017 and 2019 sold out 22 and 3 days respectively before the fest started. When KSG played in 2018, it sold out within 2 hours of going onsale.
So yeah, I think Kanye made a difference there.
I'm sure it made a difference. I'll even concede that Kids See Ghost was a great headliner pick for the #1 festival in the world for hypebeast teenagers.
I think you saying he's currently one of the 10 biggest acts out there is laughable though, but there's no way to prove it since he hasn't toured since devolving into his current state and ruining his discography.
The Kanye hangers-on here are both hilarious and sad. He's a mentally ill gospel rapper at this point and nothing more. Move on and stop embarrassing yourselves.
The “Kanye sold out Camp Flog” take is also overblown since that festival sold out the year before and the year after he played with KSG.
Flog didn't sell out until October 2019, when the Frank rumors got heated. After he dropped those singles. KSG sold Flog out instantly, pretty sure the fastest it had ever sold out.
