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2 day festival idea for a non-Coachella fall Coachella.
I really wanted them to do this for the 20-year, just reunite the OG lineup (as much as possible). The ultimate Coachella reunion.
Not sure how well that would do with sales. Majority of this line up probably doesn't resonate with most of the current Coachella crowd. But I do think it may work for a smaller scale Octoberchella if that does end up happening!
2 day festival idea for a non-Coachella fall Coachella.
I really wanted them to do this for the 20-year, just reunite the OG lineup (as much as possible). The ultimate Coachella reunion.
Like 75% of the og line up are still active in some way so it would be doable.
I still think they do October with reduced cap so they use up as many acts from 2020 as they can and get out of those contracts. 2022 can be ~90% its own thing with a some that just held out over covid concerns or inability to make it work. Theyll be outside of the September log jam so its not as if they have to fight tooth and nail over staff and crew as everyone else does just weeks earlier. If EDC throws their hat into October then its gonna be tricky.
I really wanted them to do this for the 20-year, just reunite the OG lineup (as much as possible). The ultimate Coachella reunion.
Not sure how well that would do with sales. Majority of this line up probably doesn't resonate with most of the current Coachella crowd. But I do think it may work for a smaller scale Octoberchella if that does end up happening!
It'd have to be in October, and it'd be its own thing. It wouldn't sell as well as normal Coachella at all but it also wouldn't need to, if they truly went deep on the "reunion of a festival" idea and kept the original number of stages, similar layout, two days only, etc. It wouldn't be dropping the 1999 lineup in the 2020 Coachella festival; that wouldn't work on all sorts of levels.
I obviously don't think this is going to happen, I just think it'd be pretty dope if it did.
Post by piggy pablo on Mar 5, 2021 17:19:20 GMT -5
Does reduced cap entail assigned plots or dividing ropes or social distancing? Because otherwise all it accomplishes is a smaller-scale super spreader event (or not because people should mostly be vaccinated by then).
Would be cool if someone would take that 1999 lineup, remove the acts that would be out of consideration, then make a new poster of where the acts would line up today plus a clashfinder.
Does reduced cap entail assigned plots or dividing ropes or social distancing? Because otherwise all it accomplishes is a smaller-scale super spreader event (or not because people should mostly be vaccinated by then).
No. My thinking is that they just do not sell more tickets for those respective weekends at all. So if the state ends up having some policy in place that would not allow 100% capacity, then theyre ensuring it can go forward. Like Ive said before if they required proof of vaccination then youre gonna get some people who refuse to go and will either get refunds or possibly roll over to 2022. And then you have even fewer people in attendance so you got a fuck ton of space. In 2019 for weekend 2 they were under 100k a day and it felt much roomier with ~25k less on the fields. Imagine having only 50k in that same space? Itll be paradise.
Does reduced cap entail assigned plots or dividing ropes or social distancing? Because otherwise all it accomplishes is a smaller-scale super spreader event (or not because people should mostly be vaccinated by then).
It still seems like some of you guys are choosing to be incredibly pessimistic for fun it seems like or the pandemic has beaten you guys down bad in terms of a positive outlook
82M people have gotten at least 1 vaccine in the US right now
We are 330M people or so in the US, which leaves us with about 250M who have yet to get a vaccine
75M people are under 18
Kids under 16 cant even get the vaccine yet I believe or pregnant woman and there will be some people who may not even want the vaccine
So say that is 75M people total who can't or won't get it for right now. That means we need to get another 175m people vaccinated
We are doing 2M vaccines a day now, and would imagine it would rise too with Johnson and Johnson (was also just like 1.7m a day a week or 2 ago)
So in about 3 months, those 175m people should have gotten their vaccines. Give it 1 more month for 2nd doses, any distribution issues
That is early July...
Then do the people from 16-18, should be done by Sept
Maybe nobody under 16 allowed, unless vaccines are allowed for them by then
Look at simple math and understand that we are on the right track, the data shows the vaccines are pretty good against variants too, unless something awful or unexpected happens, I don't see why Coachella can't happen at full size in Oct
Post by pineapplesinmyhead on Mar 5, 2021 18:29:13 GMT -5
Interesting tidbit from that article is they’re keeping those events/theme parks open to California residents only . Still it’s a great sign . California reached 10 million vaccinations today so at this pace I don’t see how Coachella wouldn’t be able to go forward in October barring a very bad spike/variant .
Interesting tidbit from that article is they’re keeping those events/theme parks open to California residents only . Still it’s a great sign . California reached 10 million vaccinations today so at this pace I don’t see how Coachella wouldn’t be able to go forward in October barring a very bad spike/variant .
Here is the key one which does play on my no more tickets thing.
Attendance at outdoor sporting events and concerts, will also be allowed beginning April 1 with up to 20% capacity for venues located in the red tier, 33% in the orange tier, then 67% capacity in the least restrictive yellow tier, according to California economic advisor DeeDee Myers.
Does reduced cap entail assigned plots or dividing ropes or social distancing? Because otherwise all it accomplishes is a smaller-scale super spreader event (or not because people should mostly be vaccinated by then).
It still seems like some of you guys are choosing to be incredibly pessimistic for fun it seems like or the pandemic has beaten you guys down bad in terms of a positive outlook
82M people have gotten at least 1 vaccine in the US right now
We are 330M people or so in the US, which leaves us with about 250M who have yet to get a vaccine
75M people are under 18
Kids under 16 cant even get the vaccine yet I believe or pregnant woman and there will be some people who may not even want the vaccine
So say that is 75M people total who can't or won't get it for right now. That means we need to get another 175m people vaccinated
We are doing 2M vaccines a day now, and would imagine it would rise too with Johnson and Johnson (was also just like 1.7m a day a week or 2 ago)
So in about 3 months, those 175m people should have gotten their vaccines. Give it 1 more month for 2nd doses, any distribution issues
That is early July...
Then do the people from 16-18, should be done by Sept
Maybe nobody under 16 allowed, unless vaccines are allowed for them by then
Look at simple math and understand that we are on the right track, the data shows the vaccines are pretty good against variants too, unless something awful or unexpected happens, I don't see why Coachella can't happen at full size in Oct
+ the 28.9 million and counting who've already been infected
Post by piggy pablo on Mar 5, 2021 18:44:47 GMT -5
Idk if you're speaking to me directly as being pessimistic, but overall I don't think that it will be necessary to have a reduced cap by October. I just also don't think a reduced capacity event helps at all really, in the case that there is a surge of a vaccine-resistant variant. I understand supre's point about what the law might say, and yes the crowd could be a little bit better dispersed, but for the most part at festivals there is always going to be a certain contingent of people who want to get as close to the stage as possible, which is for an extended period of time, anywhere from 40 minutes to much longer than that at the big headlining shows. That's a unique issue compared with sporting events with assigned seating and even someplace like Disneyland.
I'm pretty optimistic about the vaccine rollout right now. A large number of people also probably have some natural immunity without the vaccine. We're at almost 30M confirmed cases. The true number could very easily be two or three times that amount. We could be at a herd immunity level with less than 130M people vaccinated. I think I'm probably more optimistic about how quickly we will hit an inflection point than maybe I even should be. The lingering questions are about variants, which will need to be caught quickly, but will probably come from other countries that have not been immunized as quickly as we have (by vaccines and also just letting it run through our population over the past few months, tbh) as well as how long immunization lasts. Will we be able to uphold an immunization regime like this if it needs to be administered every 3-6 months? Hopefully, but more hopefully it won't be necessary.
The thing is we dont know when the state will remove the covid tiers. Even at 67% cap the festival will turn a profit, so why the hell dont you put it on. You gotta start building the war chest again.
It still seems like some of you guys are choosing to be incredibly pessimistic for fun it seems like or the pandemic has beaten you guys down bad in terms of a positive outlook
82M people have gotten at least 1 vaccine in the US right now
We are 330M people or so in the US, which leaves us with about 250M who have yet to get a vaccine
75M people are under 18
Kids under 16 cant even get the vaccine yet I believe or pregnant woman and there will be some people who may not even want the vaccine
So say that is 75M people total who can't or won't get it for right now. That means we need to get another 175m people vaccinated
We are doing 2M vaccines a day now, and would imagine it would rise too with Johnson and Johnson (was also just like 1.7m a day a week or 2 ago)
So in about 3 months, those 175m people should have gotten their vaccines. Give it 1 more month for 2nd doses, any distribution issues
That is early July...
Then do the people from 16-18, should be done by Sept
Maybe nobody under 16 allowed, unless vaccines are allowed for them by then
Look at simple math and understand that we are on the right track, the data shows the vaccines are pretty good against variants too, unless something awful or unexpected happens, I don't see why Coachella can't happen at full size in Oct
+ the 28.9 million and counting who've already been infected
That’s not how math works. Some of those infected have been vaxxed and all of them should be vaxxed
Just saw the news about California opening up MLB, Disneyland, and live events with reduced capacity, April 1st (Could set up the ultimate April fools joke). So excited to get any shows back. The only ticket I've held onto is Tennis and that got rescheduled today for October.
Would be cool if someone would take that 1999 lineup, remove the acts that would be out of consideration, then make a new poster of where the acts would line up today plus a clashfinder.
Like this?
And don't give me crap about someone needing to be higher or lower, I made this on a whim.
Artists left out: Art of Noise, Cibo Matto, Derrick May, Gil Scott-Heron and The Wiseguys
Would be cool if someone would take that 1999 lineup, remove the acts that would be out of consideration, then make a new poster of where the acts would line up today plus a clashfinder.
Like this?
And don't give me crap about someone needing to be higher or lower, I made this on a whim.
I had been firmly seated in the pessimistic camp up until a few weeks ago. I now think this has a very good shot of happening in some form if AEG/Goldenvoice want it to.
The vaccination rate through mid-January was pretty horrendous. States didn't have coherent distribution plans and there were large scale supply chain issues. The shots that were out there weren't always getting into arms, and once supplies were exhausted, there was an unclear timeline and process for securing more.
That has turned around in a major way over the past month, and the White House has done nothing to try and qualify or walk back Biden's recent deceleration that there will be enough vaccine for every American by May. The addition of the J+J vaccine seems to be accelerating things even further (the first mass vaccination sites in my area are using it and deploying this weekend), and there are likely 1 to 2 more vaccines to come along with work to account for the emergence of any new strains.
Even if you account for some hiccups, and the window between shots and effectiveness for the 2 dose regiments, that puts late summer/early fall firmly into play.
I understand people not wanting to get their hopes up, and I think this is increasingly becoming more about how Goldenvoice/AEG wants to handle the 2021/2022 cycle, and less about whether a festival will even be possible/permissible.
Would be cool if someone would take that 1999 lineup, remove the acts that would be out of consideration, then make a new poster of where the acts would line up today plus a clashfinder.
Like this?
And don't give me crap about someone needing to be higher or lower, I made this on a whim.
Artists left out: Art of Noise, Cibo Matto, Derrick May, Gil Scott-Heron and The Wiseguys
