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Sangdeto Thursday has some rising acts like Nick Hakim and Fontaines that make sense. It's weird to jump right into some hard techno like ANNA. It might be a little jarring unless it progresses to that kind of act and I'm unfamiliar with everything else on Thursday, Other. Some of these acts like Son Lux aren't really "rising" at this point. A run of things like like 2 Chainz > Jay Rock > Primus > Rage> RTJ feels like Roo and would be a great day. Late night Friday feels like it's missing something. I am less hot on the Saturday lineup. DJ Seinfeld (while cool) feels like a real longshot. I like Nightmares on Wax on The Other. Kelly Lee Owens > Polica > Yaeji is a weird run, especially for Roo. I think you missed an opportunity with Yaeji - she makes more sense on the other than Seinfeld. Overall this is cool. Seeing Rage and RTJ on a bill just makes me wish Coachella would have happened. I do think it's unrealistic to have Metallica AND RATM, though we are doing a similar thing with Cure/Stones. Some of the acts on this feel a little dated.
KatyPerry Ladies of LCD is weird for Other on Thursday (more weird than ANNA even). Vegyn is a cool thursday pickup though. Daphni is waaaaaay too small to close the Which. No reason to have the Janet/LCD split bill. Janet doesn't need their help and LCD forced their way into a weird position they might not be able to maintain. Rex OC is too small to sub - you should switch him and Wilco. Late night Friday is too small. PUP is too early! No one wants to see Kanye. Dan Deacon is dated. Tribute to NYC is odd and The Lemon Twigs have no place in it. Late night Saturday is very bad. Cubicolor has no place closing The Other and is very odd after Rezz. Sunday feels like there aren't enough acts? Bastille should have played the main. Neon Indian should have been late night.
Didn't Demon Days come out in like 2005? And then you say Zoomers would come out for NMH...I'm not one of the people here tryna pick Realism Fights or anything, but this just doesn't add up, bb Theo.
Turn from Millennial to Zoomer is around 1995, right? I just don't think many Zoomers were listening to The Gorillaz in elementary school and NMH whilst in their diapers? To say that a small minority of Zoomers with good taste listen to those bands long after release of their hit music, that's fine and justifiable, sure. But again, would think it is a SMALL minority, and doesn't really suffice to say they "grew up on" music released in late 1990s or first 5 years of the 21st century.
Did you just try to tell a Zoomer what is and isn't popular amongst Zoomers?
FWIW, bands like Nirvana and Nine Inch Nails were massive when I was in high school, even though we were all slightly too young to have been listening at their peaks. It's almost like people can appreciate things from before their time...
Can you reread the bolded part above? I said ofc it is fair to state that he listened to that music when he was younger, but that doesn't make it "music that Zoomers grew up on."
Idk why you're getting so offended for Theo lol, when I don't think he was offended himself from my post?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Post by Pepe Silvia on Sept 1, 2020 11:29:24 GMT -5
fwiw I'm 22 years old, my little brother is 19. I love Gorillaz but he wouldn't even know who i'm talking about (Even though he would recognize Feel Good Inc). I think theres a pretty big divide in taste for most zoomers, really just depends on which side of the spectrum you gravitate towards.
Can you reread the bolded part above? I said ofc it is fair to state that he listened to that music when he was younger, but that doesn't make it "music that Zoomers grew up on."
Idk why you're getting so offended for Theo lol, when I don't think he was offended himself from my post?
Not offended at all, and I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion - I just think it's hilarious that he's telling you "yeah this band is huge among my age group" and your response is basically "no you're wrong, let someone 15(?) years older than you what your generation likes."
CatBob This day has some great rising acts, but SG Lewis and L'Imperatrice have no place on The Other, let alone closing it. Your late nights need more programming. Bon Iver is a massive sub (borderline headliner), not a Which closer. Miike Snow would not be brought back to play a tent, even if they have lost steam. A lot of these acts are staged wrong. St Vincent and Three Six Mafia immediately stand out. You could have easily switched Bon Iver and St Vincent. I get that you wanted Vincent > Madonna, but you could still have that with the switch. I don't think Grimes plays that Which spot. Phoenix and Anderson Paak should switch. David Gilmour should be the centerpiece of this fest. Waiting around for the best show of the weekend on Sunday night kinda blows. Empire of the Sun could have played Other as a late night if you are needing acts. Passion Pit being brought back to a tent is also weird. That Sunday This Tent is way too old. The Other needs more EDM in general.
KingJames Rocky Horror closing Thursday feels like a weak attempt at doing something original. I don't know anything on Thursday Other. I assume it's bad electronic. There's a handful of acts I'm into, but all kind of scheduled similarly. Edward Sharpe is too small at this point to play before the Sub on What. Parcels is too small to play the What period. Galantis probably should have closed. Slow Magic is way too small. Pixies need to be on a stage. Summer Walker needs to be on What. Some of your Friday acts feel old and don't offer enough diversity. Tycho, Oysterhead, and Lettuce make sense, but maybe too paint by numbers for make believe Bonnaroo. WHY IS FATBOY SLIM NOT CLOSING? Switch him with ANCO. They have no place closing a dance stage when their music has so many weird rhythms (realized they were in a tent after posting this, but still not the best way to end a night). Their live show is also hit or miss so I feel like you are putting to much value on it. Parcels superjam is just bad. Robyn shouldn't close the Which. The Internet is too small to close the Which. Ariel Pink and Miami Horror need to be in a tent. Loretta should play Which. The Other is one of the more realistic versions going. Some of the "improvements" are tired though - Slow Magic & xxyyxx for example. New Order should have been positioned better given the gaps on Friday/Saturday. Bright Eyes should be on the Which where they are. There's nothing that gets me all that excited day after day.
fwiw I'm 22 years old, my little brother is 19. I love Gorillaz but he wouldn't even know who i'm talking about (Even though he would recognize Feel Good Inc). I think theres a pretty big divide in taste for most zoomers, really just depends on which side of the spectrum you gravitate towards.
two of the funniest crowd moments I've had were where couples that were the same age were in this "Can we go to the Chainsmokers now?" during LCD, and then during Radiohead this guy was pleading with his bf to please let him stay at Radiohead instead of going to see Major Lazer, "this band means so much to me."
fwiw I'm 22 years old, my little brother is 19. I love Gorillaz but he wouldn't even know who i'm talking about (Even though he would recognize Feel Good Inc). I think theres a pretty big divide in taste for most zoomers, really just depends on which side of the spectrum you gravitate towards.
two of the funniest crowd moments I've had were where couples that were the same age were in this "Can we go to the Chainsmokers now?" during LCD, and then during Radiohead this guy was pleading with his bf to please let him stay at Radiohead instead of going to see Major Lazer, "this band means so much to me."
I forgot ACL had Radiohead, Kendrick and LCD in 2016. Man that might be the best set of headliners in the last five years of any festival in the world.
two of the funniest crowd moments I've had were where couples that were the same age were in this "Can we go to the Chainsmokers now?" during LCD, and then during Radiohead this guy was pleading with his bf to please let him stay at Radiohead instead of going to see Major Lazer, "this band means so much to me."
I forgot ACL had Radiohead, Kendrick and LCD in 2016. Man that might be the best set of headliners in the last five years of any festival in the world.
bey Kendrick Radiohead would've really been something
Post by Larry Farnsworth on Sept 1, 2020 12:05:06 GMT -5
Alright, here goes. I'm not doing number scores because I think that's a very silly way to do a bracket-style competition.
Notes on scoring: - Quality is probably more important to me than "realism", because "realism" is so nebulous. For quality, things that interest me are unique bookings; whether you've improved the quality of acts at past Bonnaroos; booking acts that have never played before, and/or booking acts that haven't played in a while. Repeat acts are fine as long as they're either a) acts that will vary it up show to show (mostly jambands) or b) acts that have new releases since their last appearance and justify a return. Whether an artist is properly slotted as a headliner/sub/whatever is both quality and realism, imo. Genre diversity is the big thing for me; the best/most classic Bonnaroos were incredibly diverse, whereas the recent/boring editions are far too same-y. Scheduling matters somewhat, but I only if something is really wildly out of place. Also paying close attention to gender parity; we made a big effort to hit 50/50 (fell slightly short at about 53/47), so if your lineup skews too male then I'll probably dock points.
- As for realism, it's pretty simple: I don't care if Bonnaroo "would" book any individual act. If we're trying to book what Bonnaroo would book then we'd all have boring and bad lineups. To me, the idea is "you have free reign to book whoever you want for Bonnaroo, as long as they're active" and the goal is to put together an interesting lineup that sells tickets while staying true to Bonnaroo's ideals. People seem hyperfocused on shit like wook bass and whatever while forgetting that this fest has essentially undergone a sea change in its booking practices every few years. As long as you have electronic acts, I don't care if they're wook bass, house, techno, disco, whatever. What's more realistic to me is the size of the bookings, i.e. I'm fine with Palms Trax playing the Other, but I wouldn't find it realistic if they were headlining the Other. And I guess in the end, I'm kind of living by Justice Potter Stewart's immortal words, "I know it when I see it." In other words, there are some lineups that just don't look like a Bonnaroo lineup for whatever reason, and I'll probably dock those slightly.
sang / deto - you guys are the #1 seed for a reason. Won't spend too much time on you here but it's a deep lineup with a nice mix of acts. Nothing unrealistic that I can see, and the quality of acts chosen is great. I have the same issue that lots of others have noted with the dual metal headliners; especially since you've got a bigger metal undercard name in Mastodon, I think Metallica was unnecessary and you could have gone in another direction there. Your superjams also do nothing for me, but I can (and will) say the same about lots of other teams. In any event, you move on easily here. katyperryofficial / slack - There are just a lot of problems with this lineup for me. It's realistic in that there aren't any acts on here that I don't think Bonnaroo could get, but it's unrealistic in another sense based on the way those acts are billed. (You have acts on the second line that should be buried in the undercard, for example.) The headliners are a big problem, quality-wise IMO. Having Kanye's MAGA-and-Jesus act does nothing but hurt you, and Elton John is the kind of act that there's no reason to ever have headline twice. I actually don't dislike Janet/LCD as a headliner combo, but I think you'd need two other strong headliners to balance it out.
gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B - I feel like Gimlour is the most unrealistic act that nobody is talking about. Dude doesn't really play the USA and doesn't seem to play festivals. That said, he'd be fantastic, of course. I've seen you get some flack for Madonna and while I think that's misplaced, I also don't know how she'd play on a festival lineup in 2021. She's a legend of course, but I just don't know how I feel about her on there. I don't love having two big EDM names as subs; I wish you would have gotten rid of Garrix and put something different in there, but it is what it is. Did nothing to improve the Other that I can tell. I'm giving you this round because I think you absolutely nailed your undercards; great mix of genres, quality, and just looks very very "Bonnaroo." Your second lines in particular on each day are perfect. King T / JamesTheRam - This just seems like a Lollapalooza lineup, especially your top 6. Ariana Grande and Travis Scott are big draws, but they've been everywhere recently, including lots of other festivals, so they're not anything unique or exciting. Bringing back McCartney is whatever. I'm sure there are people who would be excited to see him, but he'd be doing the exact same show he did in 2013. I don't really get who Oysterhead is for here; I feel like the kind of crowd that would buy tickets for this based upon the overall lineup would have zero interest in them. Billing is weird in a few places - Deftones wouldn't be lower than 3rd on their day and definitely wouldn't be in a tent at 7 pm. You've also got a bunch of acts that just seem kind of dated - like, is anyone excited by things like Edward Sharpe, Death Cab, Grouplove, Galantis, Wiz Khalifa? This lineup has lots of big names and is "realistic" enough, it's just pretty unexciting and unimaginative imo.
DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit - I'm not going to say too much here, but this is probably my favorite overall lineup aside from our own. It does a great job at capturing the randomness that made past Bonnaroos so good and exciting. I don't love MCR as a headliner, but that has more to do with personal taste, I think. Your superjams are kind of meh to me, but whatever. A few genres seem slightly lacking but the quality is off the charts. Tried to put a schedule together for this and gave up because I basically hit conflicts at every block, which is a very good thing. Todd / Jake Jortles - Look, you guys got absolutely screwed by the seeding, because a) this is a top-5 lineup for me, and b) you got stuck going against one of the few I like more than yours. You've been hammered for Aphex Twin (and should have been for Joanna Newsom, even though you weren't), but honestly aside from those outliers this isn't at all an unrealistic lineup. I think if anything you went too far in the opposite direction to try and compensate; your Other Stage isn't any different than what I'd expect to see on any given year. I think the Frank Ocean/Neil Young pairing is my favorite 1-2 headliner punch, but I think you needed a strong 3rd and Dolly Parton isn't it. She's wonderful, and a great Bonnaroo pick, but she's not a top-3 IMO. I'd have you moving on easily against nearly any other team in this bracket, sorry you got the bad matchup.
Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder - This is another one where you're getting screwed by your seeding, I'm afraid. It's a fine lineup overall, but there's enough that I have to ding on here that means my vote goes the other way. First, I feel like Grace Jones is one of the single most impossible bookings in this draft. She's insanely selective about when/where she plays and I'm pretty sure that she's only doing things like Pride-adjacent events and Afropunk and whatnot, and I can't see a scenario where she'd agree to play Bonnaroo. I don't love your headliners; Tame is fine, but they're everywhere. Lorde/Beck aren't headliners. Lorde MIGHT be once she finally drops a new album, but that hasn't happened yet so I just can't see it. Bruce is fine, but another classic rock act that's already been through. Undercard is mostly solid, but feels a little same-y. No jam, no hard rock/metal, seems really light on hip hop. Again, it's a good enough lineup but your opponent is just too strong. fearandparanoia / money / problem dog - I don't really like a single act in your top 3 but it's an extremely good top 3. The lineup as a whole, extremely the top portion, just screams "Bonnaroo." Really good balance of genres, some really cool "classic" acts, and the Banned Ol Opry is one of my favorite superjams. This is just an extremely plausible and well-rounded lineup.
Chandler Bing / Rummy - Weirdly, I didn't like your lineup while you were drafting it but now seeing it all in one place makes it all click for me. (Also, you might have my favorite poster design.) Definitely a top-5 lineup for me. The glaring issue for me is the Other. It looks like you hewed to close to the "we need to book shitty EDM to make this thing realistic" idea and it hurts you overall, because there's precious little on that stage that improves upon previous years. But a very high quality lineup and one that's probably going to challenge for the title. VieuxCareen / cdevaney - your lineup certainly isn't what I thought it was going to be when you basically just had Massive Attack/Depeche Mode/NIN, but I don't love it. It just doesn't feel like a Bonnaroo lineup to me. Certain genres seem extremely lacking; hip hop is basically nonexistent, nothing really for metal, no jam aside from Umphrey's. No one act is that unrealistic, but the way in which they're collected is. It's a fest I'd personally attend and very much enjoy, but it just doesn't work here.
Theo / Teddy Flair - I like your lineup a lot and wish we weren't paired up. I was legit pissed when you snagged KennyHoopla. People are knocking you for the Chems being unrealistic, but I don't think that they are and I think that out of all the Glastonbury-esque electronic acts, they work the best on a US lineup. I have an issue with King Crimson, though. Headliners are strong, but Stevie is in the "does he need to come back?" camp. Not a fan of either Foos or Beyonce but they're both great headliners. Not a fan of your superjams basically because one just seems to be an extended b2b with DJs already on your lineup and the other is...something? I think the lack of genre diversity is a problem, and you've got a few really really out of place acts (Miranda Lambert is probably far too big for where you have her). Also the electronic is, with few exceptions, pretty terrible. But it's a solid enough lineup and it's a bummer we're matched. Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth - Wow I really like the lineup I helped draft and put together, what a shock. I don't think we have a single unrealistic act on here and we tried to stay as diverse as possible w/r/t genres. It's fine.
Capn Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac - I really, really wish you hadn't drafted Pearl Jam. Not because your top line is too big or anything, but because that combo of headliners gives me big "it's 2003 and I'm wearing camo cargo shorts" vibes. Would have loved something that strayed from 2000s modern rock radio at the top of your lineup. Other than that, I really really like this lineup. A few unrealistic-ish acts on here (Kraftwerk and PJ Harvey are the biggest offenders), but overall it's fine. I can tell it's a quality lineup because there are multiple times each day when I'd have a serious conflict over who to see, whereas with lots of these lineups I could certainly have a great day but only if I stuck to one particular path. Genre diversity is lacking, and that's the biggest issue I see here. Might be an issue in later rounds, but not right now. Silver Surfer / true vine - Look, I said it while you were drafting and you pushed back on it, but I'll say it again. Take out a handful of acts, and you could tell me this was the 2021 III Points lineup and I wouldn't blink. Specifically, take Roger Waters, Kasey, the Chicks, and like three guitar acts out and I'd believe you. I don't think Kacey is a headliner right now; if her next album is as big as her last, then yes. But that hasn't happened yet, so having her up there is a major stretch. There's not really any jam, no hard rock/metal, and weirdly not much hip hop. Genre diversity in general is a problem. This lineup is chock full of acts that I personally like but it doesn't look at all like a Bonnaroo to me.
Moine / Fozzie Bear - I think moving Chris Stapleton to your Friday headliner would solve a LOT of issues with this one. Swap him and Dua Lipa and I think this looks way better; he's too big to sub and she's not a headliner yet. But Stapleton as a HL with Skrillex as a sub? Absolutely. Dua Lipa subbing for Fleetwood? Perfect. Nothing crazy unrealistic here, the undercard is solid but doesn't excite me in any way. Jaz / Fred - Gonna get this out of the way, but I hate your headliners. Not in any sort of personal way, just don't love the grouping. Lady Gaga is fine, but there are other female pop acts I would have preferred there. Gambino just headlined and I really don't need him back again two years later. The Arcade Fire booking...I guess it's just hard because the last album was bad (they were touring half-filled arenas and giving tickets away on Groupon and shit), and they don't have anything new in the pipeline to make me optimistic. So while yeah, if you book them they pretty much have to headline, they're just pretty uninspiring recently. Your undercard is very, very good. There are tons of acts on here that we had on our draft list which you got instead. Everything here seems very realistic and the undercard is good enough that I have no problem putting you through to the next round.
Can you reread the bolded part above? I said ofc it is fair to state that he listened to that music when he was younger, but that doesn't make it "music that Zoomers grew up on."
Idk why you're getting so offended for Theo lol, when I don't think he was offended himself from my post?
Not offended at all, and I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion - I just think it's hilarious that he's telling you "yeah this band is huge among my age group" and your response is basically "no you're wrong, let someone 15(?) years older than you what your generation likes."
I was born in '92, so fairly close to Zoom-ville agewise
Again tho, I never said HE was wrong. I just wasn't sure, and am still not sure, it is accurate to say LOTS of Zoomers probably share this opinion. But it is....not a big deal whatsoever to me, sorry I said anything
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Sales/Success: I think this would sell out quickly
Going to try to keep it short for this one, personal bias is obvious. I think our lineup maintains all the best aspects of Bonnaroo while improving on the acts significantly and appealing to the current audience. Every genre is represented (including comedy, jam, world, jazz), improved, and scheduled in a way that the acts playing at any given time will be drastically different from each other. Our Thursday is appropriately sized and full of rising/new acts that are interesting and fit the festival, with some bigger heavy hitting closers to keep people interested. All our acts are active and haven’t played the festival recently (Tyler Childers is the exception, but he’s extremely realistic for a repeat with a huge bump in billing/scheduling). We have a superjam to appease the jam/instrumentals fans and one for the fun karaoke singalongs. Rihanna is maybe the best headliner on the draft, and the only that would turn the everyone’s eyes to Bonnaroo in the way that Coachella did with Beyonce (assuming this would be her first show back). It’s an unmistakably Bonnaroo lineup that would be possible for 2021, and would make me buy tickets on the spot with fear of a quick sellout.
Sales/Success: I think this would sell well, but not sell out. I don't think the Dolly/SOAD combo moves too many Bonnaroo tickets, and there's just a lot of acts that were more popular 5 years ago than they would be in 2021. I also question the popularity of Neil Young at a major fest tbh. He's much more inforoo popular than anything.
Thursday: • This Tent is really cool this day but a little too heavy/experimental, there would be a lot of “what the fuck is this?” from people popping in to check out what’s playing. Liturgy and Animals As Leaders are too old for Thursday • That tent is really good this day, but maybe too much chill R&B adjacent music (balances with the harshness of This Tent though). JPEGMAFIA closing a tent is a no-brainer but I don’t think I would have done it on Thursday. • Wish you other tent wasn’t all bad filler until Just Blaze (who I like but seems a little random/dated)
Friday: • Dolly, Laura Marling, Mitski (thought she retired?), The Zombies, Death Grips are all really good Bonnaroo picks. • I don’t really like that you have That Tent be all Emo/Pop-Punk until late night. It would have worked better spread out throughout the weekend. Even for fans of the genre (I’m not) it would be tiring all in one day • Didn’t know who John McLaughlin was until you guys drafter him. An old as fuck guy that played on some of the best Miles Davis albums and still shreds? Hell yes, extremely good extremely Bonaroo • I like the idea of Dolly having a strong co-headliner, but I think at Bonnaroo System of a Down is not a main stage act. I know they have some crossover appeal but most metal acts that play Roo can’t fill a tent. I would have gotten rid of SOD, kept Coldplay as the Friday HL, and had Dolly open for NYCH. • Electric Wizard should be a different day than SOAD for people that want to see both in full • Supreme Clientele is one of my favorite rap albums, hell yes to that SJ. Two SJ back to back LN seems like A LOT but I would be there easily. • Waka Flocka should have been at The Other (dated pick but I love him) • You Other lineup is trash again until Above & Beyond which is a great pick for this draft. Too many crappy acts in general.
Saturday • Your main stage is spot on all day. I do think a Brandi Carlile repeat back-to-back years doesn’t make sense, and Robert Plant playing again is a bit boring. • Cupcackke opening a tent would be fun • Mary J Blige is cool because she doesn’t do the festival circuit, so it’s a breath of fresh air, and she’s a well known name. But I also feel like her real fanbase is pretty strictly middle aged black people, and she doesn’t have much crossover appeal. As far as acts that cost too much for how many tickets they would sell, she is pretty high on that list. • Aphex is a net positive when considering realism vs quality in my opinion. There’s something to be said about festivals getting rare acts even if they don’t draw well. They shine a spotlight on your festival for a lot of people that wouldn’t otherwise consider it. It works extremely well for Coachella and it would work for Bonnaroo (Aphex’s tent was full at Coachella) • Weyes Blood -> Joanna Newsom is amazing. Theater/Art school kids would be rock hard for this. • Frank Ocean amazing of course • Hearing Supreme Clientale on Friday and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx on Saturday is pretty awesome • Fetty Wap into Chief Keef lol. I also was in college in 2014 (Keef is low key a good pick but this is obviously really dated)
Sunday • Love the Dave Chappelle pick. My GOAT comedian and most his recent shows have involved some sort of musical element. • Neil Young & CH is a perfect Sunday closer. Having David Crosby the same day is kinda cool. • Not much to say about this day honestly. The good is it feels like Bonnaroo, the bad is that it feels really dated.
DragonPit Wand closing Thursday should happen. While solid, I don't know about Boring > Tommy Cash re: realism. You've got some realistic acts going on your main stages. What and Which Friday looks very real. Gorgon City seems more like a daytime act if they aren't going Other. Charli seems more like a realistic Which closer. Palms Trax/Special Request definitely feels weird as an Other act. Devo should be on What/Which. Like starting Saturday with Python, but it never really feels Other-ish. We did similar things at times so I get it. Saturday late night has too many treats for Bonnaroo to handle. I dunno about Eric Andre live in a music tent. Clams Casino is the kind of beats acts I wish they were getting. Your Sunday acts feel more like Bonnaroo. I don't think Jorja should play a tent and Mall Grab is out of place. Helado Negro deserves more of a spotlight!
ToddJortles Really like Kelsey Lu > 070 Shake > JPEG. Feels relevant and fresh. I dunno about Animals as Leaders playing that night since they are established. Dolly into SOAD feels wrong. You have too many subs on Friday. Ellie should absolutely be on What. She's bigger than Big Sean. This is one of the best (realistic) Other days I've seen. I would love to catch Above and Beyond late night at Bonnaroo and Durante and Yotto is an improvement from the Wook stuff they have been featuring the last few years. Pussy Riot needs a bigger stage. Put them on Which or Main during the day. Blues Traveler played a tent and the Who Stage 10 years ago so they don't necessitate a bump. Pussy Riot is far more relevant and they don't feature harmonica. Switch them. I've never really been into SOAD as a headliner for this kind of fest. Mary J Blige should be on What. Aphex Twin is during Blue Oyster Cult. This is a problem. Aphex still just feels so out of place here. Dave opening for Neil is terrible flow. Just let Modest Mouse open up. Spoon would probably close Which (but I could be wrong). Melody's Echo Chamber is ineligible iirc. Someone might want to look into that. There are plenty of acts here they make this feel like Bonnaroo and plenty they should have booked in the past. Outside of Aphex this fest is just fine. Great pair of headliners, but nothing moves me all that much.
Silver Surfer / true vine - Look, I said it while you were drafting and you pushed back on it, but I'll say it again. Take out a handful of acts, and you could tell me this was the 2021 III Points lineup and I wouldn't blink. Specifically, take Roger Waters, Kasey, the Chicks, and like three guitar acts out and I'd believe you. I don't think Kacey is a headliner right now; if her next album is as big as her last, then yes. But that hasn't happened yet, so having her up there is a major stretch. There's not really any jam, no hard rock/metal, and weirdly not much hip hop. Genre diversity in general is a problem. This lineup is chock full of acts that I personally like but it doesn't look at all like a Bonnaroo to me.
We're one of the 6 lineups that have a hip-hop headliner. We also have a stacked hip-hop undercard (Young Thug, Doja Cat, Lil Dicky, Madlib, Earthgang, GoldLink, Kota the Friend, Phony Ppl, 645AR, PNTHN) plus some neo-soul crossover acts (Ella Mai, Sabrina Claudio, Masego, Steve Lacy, Durand Jones & The Indications, Choker, Yeek, Twelve'Len).
DragonPit Wand closing Thursday should happen. While solid, I don't know about Boring > Tommy Cash re: realism. You've got some realistic acts going on your main stages. What and Which Friday looks very real. Gorgon City seems more like a daytime act if they aren't going Other. Charli seems more like a realistic Which closer. Palms Trax/Special Request definitely feels weird as an Other act. Devo should be on What/Which. Like starting Saturday with Python, but it never really feels Other-ish. We did similar things at times so I get it. Saturday late night has too many treats for Bonnaroo to handle. I dunno about Eric Andre live in a music tent. Clams Casino is the kind of beats acts I wish they were getting. Your Sunday acts feel more like Bonnaroo. I don't think Jorja should play a tent and Mall Grab is out of place. Helado Negro deserves more of a spotlight!
Fair points. I just want to say I saw The Eric Andre Show Live at a music festival last year and it worked extremely well. I believe most of his 2016 tour stops were also at music venues with a standing crowd.
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