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Your goals are to book a lineup that would (1) sell enough tickets to keep Bonnaroo alive, (2) improve Bonnaroo's identity (e.g. impress your voters) while (3) accounting for the type of acts the festival booked in earlier and later editions. More specifically, you should have three Bonnaroo sized headliners and subheadliners, late night shows, and genre diversity (jam, EDM, rap, indie, pop, rock, metal, country, comedy, cinema, etc).
Some guidelines about "realism": (1) consider how many tickets would be sold with your lineup, (2) assume you won't be given a budget to book three stadium sized headliners, (3) you are supposed to be booking for Bonnaroo, not a Primavera type festival - keep this in mind while picking your acts, (4) your Thursday lineup should be similar to how Bonnaroo books Thursdays - so it should mostly consist of "rising" acts, (5) The Other mainly books electronic/EDM/rap acts, and your lineup is expected to reflect this. You don't have to follow any of the guidelines here, but if you want to take the risk, it's up to you.
The Seeding
1. sang / bandeto 2. Jaz / Fred 3. Chandler Bingaling / Rummy 4. Fearandparanoia / emoney / problem dog 5. DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit 6. Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth 7. Cap’n Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac 8. King T / JamesTheRam 9. gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B 10. Silver Surfer / truevine 11. Theo / Teddy Flair 12. Todd / Jake Jortles 13. Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder 14. VieuxCareen / cdevaney 15. Fozzie Bear / Monie 16. katyperryofficial / Slack
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Grand Ole Opry hosted by Chris Thile: The Infamous Stringdusters, The Earls of Leicester, Our Native Daughters, The Devil Makes Three, Nicole Atkins, Erin Rae
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
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Do we assign each team a numerical score? Or just vote for whichever we prefer? If it’s a score, what’s the scoring scale?
Yes, scores are required.
Scores are 1-10 (decimals allowed) for both quality and realism. The score is these two averaged together.
are you adding all the scores together? Or if I give one team 16 points and one team 14 points then the higher team actually gets one point from my vote?
Scores are 1-10 (decimals allowed) for both quality and realism. The score is these two averaged together.
are you adding all the scores together? Or if I give one team 16 points and one team 14 points then the higher team actually gets one point from my vote?
the second It's just to show that people are balancing their votes well between quality and realism since there was confusion on how it'd be balanced.
are you adding all the scores together? Or if I give one team 16 points and one team 14 points then the higher team actually gets one point from my vote?
the second It's just to show that people are balancing their votes well between quality and realism since there was confusion on how it'd be balanced.
my plan is to obviously explain my votes but probably give whatever team I want to vote for 20 and the other team 0. I don’t like the idea of being held to a score from previous rounds as the bracket advances, would this cause any issues?
the second It's just to show that people are balancing their votes well between quality and realism since there was confusion on how it'd be balanced.
my plan is to obviously explain my votes but probably give whatever team I want to vote for 20 and the other team 0. I don’t like the idea of being held to a score from previous rounds as the bracket advances, would this cause any issues?
Yeah I kind of like this. Because once you assign a team a numerical score then that really shouldn’t change round to round. So there’s really no point to any sort of bracket because we’ll all know how everyone feels about every lineup after the first round.
still really think attendance and realism should have been their own categories
Can you elaborate on this?
Seems pretty self explanatory. Just because something is realistic doesn’t mean it would move a ton of tickets, while some unrealistic lineups could sell out quick. It’s kind of weird to conflate the two ideas.
the second It's just to show that people are balancing their votes well between quality and realism since there was confusion on how it'd be balanced.
my plan is to obviously explain my votes but probably give whatever team I want to vote for 20 and the other team 0. I don’t like the idea of being held to a score from previous rounds as the bracket advances, would this cause any issues?
you can change scores once you hear arguments or something. I mean, I don't feel the same about actual lineups the day after drop. If you want a lineup to win, why does the difference matter? The only thing that matters is the highest average. I said I'm not adding up scores.
still really think attendance and realism should have been their own categories
Can you elaborate on this?
one can book a realistic lineup that wont sell out and an unrealistic lineup that will sell out. There are several that fit into both of these in my opinion.
Post by Nathan Fieldcяab on Aug 31, 2020 12:09:59 GMT -5
Using my own personal metrics, I have unchanging scores for realism and preference for each lineup. But I'm assigning points based on percentile so the numbers will fluctuate slightly based on the number of teams left/eliminated.
For example, the most realistic lineup in this round of 16 would get a 10, 2nd most would get a 9.375, 3rd would get a 8.75, etc. But in the next round when we're down to 8 lineups, the 2nd most realistic would get a 8.75, the 3rd would get a 7.5, etc.
So basically, if you have a super low number (like a 2 or a 3), it doesn't mean that I hated your lineup/thought it was entirely implausible! Just that I preferred others based on the schedule runs/realism.
my plan is to obviously explain my votes but probably give whatever team I want to vote for 20 and the other team 0. I don’t like the idea of being held to a score from previous rounds as the bracket advances, would this cause any issues?
you can change scores once you hear arguments or something. I mean, I don't feel the same about actual lineups the day after drop. If you want a lineup to win, why does the difference matter? The only thing that matters is the highest average. I said I'm not adding up scores.
im not saying I’m trying to make the difference bigger, could give the one I like better 1, 1 scores vs 0, 0. I just think my brain feels more comfortable not having past scores feel like they have influence on my votes as the brackets advance. I don’t think it should have real negative effect on the process in general but figured I’d ask first in case people felt strongly I shouldn’t do it this way.
you can change scores once you hear arguments or something. I mean, I don't feel the same about actual lineups the day after drop. If you want a lineup to win, why does the difference matter? The only thing that matters is the highest average. I said I'm not adding up scores.
im not saying I’m trying to make the difference bigger, could give the one I like better 1, 1 scores vs 0, 0. I just think my brain feels more comfortable not having past scores feel like they have influence on my votes as the brackets advance. I don’t think it should have real negative effect on the process in general but figured I’d ask first in case people felt strongly I shouldn’t do it this way.
there's no rule saying you're locked into you scores. People change their minds.
Seems pretty self explanatory. Just because something is realistic doesn’t mean it would move a ton of tickets, while some unrealistic lineups could sell out quick. It’s kind of weird to conflate the two ideas.
Using my own personal metrics, I have unchanging scores for realism and preference for each lineup. But I'm assigning points based on percentile so the numbers will fluctuate slightly based on the number of teams left/eliminated.
For example, the most realistic lineup in this round of 16 would get a 10, 2nd most would get a 9.375, 3rd would get a 8.75, etc. But in the next round when we're down to 8 lineups, the 2nd most realistic would get a 8.75, the 3rd would get a 7.5, etc.
So basically, if you have a super low number (like a 2 or a 3), it doesn't mean that I hated your lineup/thought it was entirely implausible! Just that I preferred others based on the schedule runs/realism.
I like this--and think I'll do something similar.
Why do people keep referring to "scores out of 20," though? Didn't we say we're giving scores 0-10?
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Using my own personal metrics, I have unchanging scores for realism and preference for each lineup. But I'm assigning points based on percentile so the numbers will fluctuate slightly based on the number of teams left/eliminated.
For example, the most realistic lineup in this round of 16 would get a 10, 2nd most would get a 9.375, 3rd would get a 8.75, etc. But in the next round when we're down to 8 lineups, the 2nd most realistic would get a 8.75, the 3rd would get a 7.5, etc.
So basically, if you have a super low number (like a 2 or a 3), it doesn't mean that I hated your lineup/thought it was entirely implausible! Just that I preferred others based on the schedule runs/realism.
This is very close to what I am doing. I don’t love posting scores because it will be obvious how I’m voting for the rest of the matchups after round 1, but I’ll do it if required. Personally don’t see why a number is important as long as you can explain your vote, especially since you’re functionally just picking one of two options. But I’m also not trying to cause problems. I do have a pair of ties in my rankings and will definitely adjust based on arguments if those matchups come up.
Post by Pepe Silvia on Aug 31, 2020 12:32:08 GMT -5
i just hope everyone does take actual attendance into account and views it more as a sliding scale than as a checkbox. i'll be voting based on the 3 categories like i said.
FIRST ROUND MATCHUPS You must vote for all matchups.
sang / deto - Rage, Bjork, RTJ, and Primus is easily enough to get a first-round vote here. Still not hot on the two metal HLs but not that big of a deal for now. Could be swayed to change scores later but again, it's an easy W here. Realism - 7/10 Quality - 7/10
katyperryofficial / slack - Don't love having three repeat HLs since 2014 and topping it off with Janet Jackson who does not sell fest tix well at all. I think there is almost zero zoomer appeal in that top 4 if you don't care about Ye anymore. Realism - 4/10 Quality - 4/10
gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B - Madonna and David Gilmour would never headline Bonnaroo. Maybe if you threw a ton of money at Madonna? But don't think it would pay off. Sunday's top 3 looks like a completely different festival (Gilmour, Byrne, Hill is great but it's not Bonnaroo). For some reason Lil Baby is 4 on his day. I think Calvin Harris at 2 on his day is a bit odd just because he's in that awkward "HL / not a HL" space. Coachella being the exception because he was a last second replacement iirc. Also, a lot of these acts are people you could have seen at Roo the past few years especially 2018 (Little Simz, Courtney Barnett, UMO, St Paul, Peach Pit, Trombone Shorty, Paak, Bon Iver, Chic, T-Pain). Realism - 5/10 Quality - 8/10
King T / JamesTheRam - obviously picking mine, but good HLs, good genre diversity, some improving w Robyn, AnCo, New Order but a firm foot in the door of appealing to the base with Lana, Travis, Kygo, Oysterhead, Virtual Self and Paul. Realism - 8/10 Quality - 8/10
DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit - Think this is my #1. Rihanna at Roo makes a lot of sense but she likely doesn't play festivals for a reason. Flume, Meg, Bad Bunny, etc all make a ton of sense here. All pop but no trash which is very good. Dead and Co is perfect as is Tyler Childers. MCR is a solid headliner but not my thing. I will say the biggest issue I have with this is that I think ELO wouldn't play unless they were a HL but I'm not too confident in that statement to let it make a huge difference rn. Once we get into the lower stuff, it falls off for me. There is a whole lot of nothing for me on Sunday other than Dead, FF and Whitney. Realism - 9/10 Quality - 7/10
Todd / Jake Jortles - There's a lot of good stuff on here but it kind of reads like a 2014 wishlist. There's a lot of outdated stuff here imo (Ellie, Tove Lo, Fetty Wap, Chief Keef) which makes it hard to believe this is a 2021 festival. Outside of Frank and 1975, it feels like a lot of acts who are much older or have past their peak. Not a ton of zoomer appeal here. Aphex Twin is a bit of a downer but it's hard for me to say any non-HL act is a death sentence. With that being said, really great quality of acts here. Frank, Neil, Dolly, SOAD, Death Grips, Aphex, Ween. Realism - 4/10 Quality - 9/10
Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder - a lineup I'm surprised to see seeded so low tbh. I really like the HLs, but Beck looks weird no matter where you put him. MMJ and Steely Dan are right up my alley. I think you have some newer artists to appeal to zoomers here but I'm not sure you have any second or third line acts for them. Bonnaroo sold out with VW, Lana, Tame, Miley, Lizzo, Flume, etc and I don't see any of that on here. Obviously Tame is and I think Lorde is a good start but Meek Mill, Tiesto, Bleachers, Kehlani and Lil X just feels either outdated or weak. Grace Jones is a hit too. Realism - 5/10 Quality - 7/10
fearandparanoia / emoney / problem dog -I really don't see Bonnaroo getting both The Cure and Stones but depiste that, they're both improving the quality. Love Sturgill, Jamie, Petras, koze, Carly, Sia, Rapture. I think some of these subs are super weak. Leon as a 3, Ty as a 4, Schoolboy Q as a 3, but the quality of the acts pushes this though for me. Realism - 6/10 Quality - 8/10
Chandler Bing / Rummy - Hard for me to vote against Radiohead. It's good time to have them back, Billie makes sense, Paul Simon seems a bit ehh paired w Radiohead but whatever. Lots of good diveristy, Sufjan is a nice pick. Just overall a nice and pleasant lineup. I think you have some interesting bumps here but that kind of gives it the 2021 feel. Realism - 8/10 Quality - 8/10
VieuxCareen / cdevaney - the final product is better than the Mad Cool type product I was expecting. Obviously a lot of good stuff on here with Depeche, NIN, Jack, Massive Attack, National, Princess Nokia, black midi, Xiu Xiu etc. I just don't think this represents Bonnaroo as well as the other fests. I think Saturday has very little appeal to zoomers outside of Zedd. Realism - 5/10 Quality - 8/10
Theo / Teddy Flair - Foo's, Beyonce, Stevie is great but suuuper expensive. I think we haven't gotten into the realism of Beyonce enough. Still a ton of stuff that makes sense for Roo on here, MGMT, VW, Glass Animals, SZA. I think this lineup appeals to a lot of people really well and that's really hard to do. Had you had some cheaper HLs, this probably would've been my #1 but alas... Realism - 7/10 Quality 8/10
Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth - I've had some changing opinions this HL trio but I can't say I like it. If I'm going to get into the realism for Beyonce, I have to do it for Taylor as well. I don't think Iron Maiden would pay off at all and while it appeals to the board, it seems like a headscratcher of a HL and I personally don't care for them at all. I gave Phish a chance and they aren't for me but I think they're a good pick in this draft. Friday is pretty stacked with Sigur, AM, Rosalia, Prydz. Thursday is really great and the only one worth of not so far this early on imo. But this really falls off for me with the Sat / Sun undercards. Like QOTSA well enough but I'm not over the moon for them, Hot Chip and Nina are great but after that, those are two big duds of days for me. It seems like you're banking on Taylor and Phish to sell tix which isn't the worst strategy but I just don't like single acts bearing that much load. Realism - 7/10 Quality - 5/10
Capn Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac - this matchup is a question of "too many HLs v. too little HLs" to me. Had PJ not been taken this would've been easy but Thom, Gorillaz, Tool, Patti, Tyler, Florence, Jamiroquai, PJ Harvey, of Montreal, Panda Bear are all really high quality acts. You are definitely very, very weak on EDM though and it's hard to sell tix when you completely ignore a significant part of your fanbase. Quality - 9/10 Realism - 6/10
Silver Surfer / truevine - overall nicely mixed days. Good diversity, appeal, etc. The Sunday undercard is really kinda weak and disheartening which makes it incredibly realistic. I agree next time Kacey plays Roo she is probably a HL, but she isn't playing Roo in 2021 but I appreciate the bump more than being really top heavy. I also don't think MBV plays. Waters is a really great Roo set too. This was far and wide the closest matchup but giving the slightest of edges to this one because I think it appeals to more bases and is more realistically sized for 2021. Quality - 7/10 Realism - 8.5/10
Monie / Fozzie Bear - Fleetwood Mac is such a great HL for this. Jay-Z and Diana is cool but not sure what age group that appeals to. Dua Lipa isn't a HL and you have an actual headliner sitting at #2 on Sunday. Still, a lot of really great acts in James Blake, Justice, SOPHIE, Cudi, Nick Murphy. Thursday has good acts on it but you have two people on there who were on different days on the 2020 lineup that wouldn't play Thursday. Realism - 5/10 Quality - 6/10
Jaz / Fred - I think you might have four HLs with Harry here. Still, a really nice top line, FKA is a great grab. I think there's really good balancing here with TAB and King Gizz. I think AF isn't a great HL choice for moving tix but you support them really well with the subs imo. There's not a whole lot to say other than it's a really solid lineup with a really nice Roo feel to it. Realism - 8/10 Quality - 8/10
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