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[ Thursday: Channel Tres>Octa Octa Friday: Honestly might pit for Arctic Monkeys>cinema>sigur ros Saturday: TOPS>Teyana Taylor>Lil Uzi Vert>Hot Chip>Duck Sauce>end of Moana>camp Sunday: pit for Brockhampton>drive back home
I expected low scores/votes against from your team but I'm honestly surprised, based on the things you've got scheduled for other fests, that you're not seeing more on our lineup. I figured you'd whack us with the dreaded Realism Hammer.
Headliners are more important to me, and I don't want to see Phish, Iron Maiden, or Taylor Swift. The undercard I did like on your lineup I'd probably rather just go see at their regular show.
Post by trantsgiving on Sept 1, 2020 21:59:20 GMT -5
Also what’s this about taking shots? You’re competing against other lineups. You’re allowed to make some points about your opponent and I don’t think anything so far has been malicious.
Boomer act or not, Stones are an instant draw. Cardi B is one of the biggest names on the planet and with another record she could easily transition to headliner. If for whatever reason festivals don’t just repeat the 2020 lineups as planned, it wouldn’t be as if 2019 fests just “happened“. It was also an effort to maintain some diversity at the top of our lineup. I would rather have proper representation at the top than a Lorde/Beck split bill. Cardi is more believable than Lorde as a headliner right now and at least we did the right thing by having her do it on her own. One of the biggest zoomer and boomer acts + adored, critically acclaimed act to please the smart fans. There is no risk involved. It’s a guaranteed top-line. Is it too good? Sure, but that’s where the whole “improve Bonnaroo” in how we see fit comes in. I don’t think you are just losing to our top lines though. We, for the most part, have been going to Bonnaroo long enough to know its history and what it could be and I think that is reflected throughout our undercard.
Edit: I think we are actually fairly close fwiw
i think this is some unnecessary shot taking though.
I don’t mean to take shots, just giving an honest opinion. I would have voted for your lineup over a majority of these. I get why it can be a bummer after putting so much time and energy in on this. Again, just working within the truth circle. Not trying to make digs.
Post by Larry Farnsworth on Sept 1, 2020 22:07:25 GMT -5
Also for those playing at home, the way to do our fest is as follows:
Th: Lydia Loveless, Christian Mistress, the Coathangers, Nerija, lose some teeth at Jesus Piece, Half Waif, Headie One/Channel Tres, Makaya McCraven, Octo/Eris
Fri: punch dance out your rage at Dogleg, This is the Kit, James Murphy, Men I Trust/El Michels, the Japanese House, BRM>Phoebe, losing your mind at choosing between the pre-HL acts before ending up at Prydz, realing that oh holy shit you actually ARE the world's biggest Iron Maiden fan the second they start ripping into Aces High or maybe a couple songs in after Bruce has changed outfits a couple times, thinking you're going to stay for all of Missy Elliott but wandering over to check out Bonobo before realizing that Refused is actually detonating That Tent and then letting Sigur Ros melt your mind in the wee hours.
Sat: Operators, checking out the Norah Jones country supergroup before realizing that Hiromi is the best act you've never heard of*, thinking that you're going to dance to some afternoon house at J. Worra or do the cool Americana thing with Waxy until you remember that you really want to skank and wind up at the Bosstones, do the Leon Vynehall > Dipset thing over on the Other, Simian Mobile Disco > Hot Chip, cry openly when T. Swift and Justin Vernon team up for "Exile", then sneaking off early to get a good spot for Queens of the Stone Age before ending the night with living rap royalty paying tribute to one of the most influential producers of all time.
Sun: Going to see KeiyaA, who is going to blow up in a year's time, Sunday afternoon margs with your boy Sammy Hagar (Caspian is actually the right play here), Amen Dunes > Jimmy Cliff, MJC and then Malkmus if you're old and/or some weirdo who still likes Pavement, BROCKHAMPTON if you're young and cool like me, Yonder Mountain String Band because they're actually good, and then Day of the Dead 2.0 because it's only the second time it's ever been done and it's funny that all these indie rock dudes are into the Dead now, and then Phish because why not.
Also for those playing at home, the way to do our fest is as follows:
Th: Lydia Loveless, Christian Mistress, the Coathangers, Nerija, lose some teeth at Jesus Piece, Half Waif, Headie One/Channel Tres, Makaya McCraven, Octo/Eris
Fri: punch dance out your rage at Dogleg, This is the Kit, James Murphy, Men I Trust/El Michels, the Japanese House, BRM>Phoebe, losing your mind at choosing between the pre-HL acts before ending up at Prydz, realing that oh holy shit you actually ARE the world's biggest Iron Maiden fan the second they start ripping into Aces High or maybe a couple songs in after Bruce has changed outfits a couple times, thinking you're going to stay for all of Missy Elliott but wandering over to check out Bonobo before realizing that Refused is actually detonating That Tent and then letting Sigur Ros melt your mind in the wee hours.
Sat: Operators, checking out the Norah Jones country supergroup before realizing that Hiromi is the best act you've never heard of*, thinking that you're going to dance to some afternoon house at J. Worra or do the cool Americana thing with Waxy until you remember that you really want to skank and wind up at the Bosstones, do the Leon Vynehall > Dipset thing over on the Other, Simian Mobile Disco > Hot Chip, cry openly when T. Swift and Justin Vernon team up for "Exile", then sneaking off early to get a good spot for Queens of the Stone Age before ending the night with living rap royalty paying tribute to one of the most influential producers of all time.
Sun: Going to see KeiyaA, who is going to blow up in a year's time, Sunday afternoon margs with your boy Sammy Hagar (Caspian is actually the right play here), Amen Dunes > Jimmy Cliff, MJC and then Malkmus if you're old and/or some weirdo who still likes Pavement, BROCKHAMPTON if you're young and cool like me, Yonder Mountain String Band because they're actually good, and then Day of the Dead 2.0 because it's only the second time it's ever been done and it's funny that all these indie rock dudes are into the Dead now, and then Phish because why not.
bro I'm not even mad you're beating us, please win the whole thing
Also for those playing at home, the way to do our fest is as follows:
Th: Lydia Loveless, Christian Mistress, the Coathangers, Nerija, lose some teeth at Jesus Piece, Half Waif, Headie One/Channel Tres, Makaya McCraven, Octo/Eris
Fri: punch dance out your rage at Dogleg, This is the Kit, James Murphy, Men I Trust/El Michels, the Japanese House, BRM>Phoebe, losing your mind at choosing between the pre-HL acts before ending up at Prydz, realing that oh holy shit you actually ARE the world's biggest Iron Maiden fan the second they start ripping into Aces High or maybe a couple songs in after Bruce has changed outfits a couple times, thinking you're going to stay for all of Missy Elliott but wandering over to check out Bonobo before realizing that Refused is actually detonating That Tent and then letting Sigur Ros melt your mind in the wee hours.
Sat: Operators, checking out the Norah Jones country supergroup before realizing that Hiromi is the best act you've never heard of*, thinking that you're going to dance to some afternoon house at J. Worra or do the cool Americana thing with Waxy until you remember that you really want to skank and wind up at the Bosstones, do the Leon Vynehall > Dipset thing over on the Other, Simian Mobile Disco > Hot Chip, cry openly when T. Swift and Justin Vernon team up for "Exile", then sneaking off early to get a good spot for Queens of the Stone Age before ending the night with living rap royalty paying tribute to one of the most influential producers of all time.
Sun: Going to see KeiyaA, who is going to blow up in a year's time, Sunday afternoon margs with your boy Sammy Hagar (Caspian is actually the right play here), Amen Dunes > Jimmy Cliff, MJC and then Malkmus if you're old and/or some weirdo who still likes Pavement, BROCKHAMPTON if you're young and cool like me, Yonder Mountain String Band because they're actually good, and then Day of the Dead 2.0 because it's only the second time it's ever been done and it's funny that all these indie rock dudes are into the Dead now, and then Phish because why not.
bro I'm not even mad you're beating us, please win the whole thing
Literally zero chance of the second thing happening and a not-great chance of the first thing happening.
Also just remembered that I asterisk'd Hiromi in my write up there but forgot to follow up. Basically, everyone should listen to her. She's a wildly inventive jazz pianist who has been making incredible music for years now. She pops up on jazz festival lineups but should have more widespread appeal.
Also for those playing at home, the way to do our fest is as follows:
Th: Lydia Loveless, Christian Mistress, the Coathangers, Nerija, lose some teeth at Jesus Piece, Half Waif, Headie One/Channel Tres, Makaya McCraven, Octo/Eris
Fri: punch dance out your rage at Dogleg, This is the Kit, James Murphy, Men I Trust/El Michels, the Japanese House, BRM>Phoebe, losing your mind at choosing between the pre-HL acts before ending up at Prydz, realing that oh holy shit you actually ARE the world's biggest Iron Maiden fan the second they start ripping into Aces High or maybe a couple songs in after Bruce has changed outfits a couple times, thinking you're going to stay for all of Missy Elliott but wandering over to check out Bonobo before realizing that Refused is actually detonating That Tent and then letting Sigur Ros melt your mind in the wee hours.
Sat: Operators, checking out the Norah Jones country supergroup before realizing that Hiromi is the best act you've never heard of*, thinking that you're going to dance to some afternoon house at J. Worra or do the cool Americana thing with Waxy until you remember that you really want to skank and wind up at the Bosstones, do the Leon Vynehall > Dipset thing over on the Other, Simian Mobile Disco > Hot Chip, cry openly when T. Swift and Justin Vernon team up for "Exile", then sneaking off early to get a good spot for Queens of the Stone Age before ending the night with living rap royalty paying tribute to one of the most influential producers of all time.
Sun: Going to see KeiyaA, who is going to blow up in a year's time, Sunday afternoon margs with your boy Sammy Hagar (Caspian is actually the right play here), Amen Dunes > Jimmy Cliff, MJC and then Malkmus if you're old and/or some weirdo who still likes Pavement, BROCKHAMPTON if you're young and cool like me, Yonder Mountain String Band because they're actually good, and then Day of the Dead 2.0 because it's only the second time it's ever been done and it's funny that all these indie rock dudes are into the Dead now, and then Phish because why not.
I absolutely fucking love Caspian, they're a great Boston post rock band. I'm very pissed you grabbed them.
Also for those playing at home, the way to do our fest is as follows:
Th: Lydia Loveless, Christian Mistress, the Coathangers, Nerija, lose some teeth at Jesus Piece, Half Waif, Headie One/Channel Tres, Makaya McCraven, Octo/Eris
Fri: punch dance out your rage at Dogleg, This is the Kit, James Murphy, Men I Trust/El Michels, the Japanese House, BRM>Phoebe, losing your mind at choosing between the pre-HL acts before ending up at Prydz, realing that oh holy shit you actually ARE the world's biggest Iron Maiden fan the second they start ripping into Aces High or maybe a couple songs in after Bruce has changed outfits a couple times, thinking you're going to stay for all of Missy Elliott but wandering over to check out Bonobo before realizing that Refused is actually detonating That Tent and then letting Sigur Ros melt your mind in the wee hours.
Sat: Operators, checking out the Norah Jones country supergroup before realizing that Hiromi is the best act you've never heard of*, thinking that you're going to dance to some afternoon house at J. Worra or do the cool Americana thing with Waxy until you remember that you really want to skank and wind up at the Bosstones, do the Leon Vynehall > Dipset thing over on the Other, Simian Mobile Disco > Hot Chip, cry openly when T. Swift and Justin Vernon team up for "Exile", then sneaking off early to get a good spot for Queens of the Stone Age before ending the night with living rap royalty paying tribute to one of the most influential producers of all time.
Sun: Going to see KeiyaA, who is going to blow up in a year's time, Sunday afternoon margs with your boy Sammy Hagar (Caspian is actually the right play here), Amen Dunes > Jimmy Cliff, MJC and then Malkmus if you're old and/or some weirdo who still likes Pavement, BROCKHAMPTON if you're young and cool like me, Yonder Mountain String Band because they're actually good, and then Day of the Dead 2.0 because it's only the second time it's ever been done and it's funny that all these indie rock dudes are into the Dead now, and then Phish because why not.
I absolutely fucking love Caspian, they're a great Boston post rock band. I'm very pissed you grabbed them.
matchup got close, so i'll go into our superjam some more...
Take Me to the River (-Al Green -Talking Heads) [performed by Patti Smith] Down at the Rock and Roll Club (-Richard Hell and the Voidoids) [performed by Television] Blank Generation (-Richard Hell and the Voidoids) [performed by Television] I Wanna Be Sedated (-Ramones) [performed by members of Psychadelic Porn Crumpets] Rip Her to Shreds (-Blondie) [performed by members of Guerilla Toss and Sleigh Bells] Ghost Rider (-Suicide) [performed by members of Guerilla Toss and Sleigh Bells] Simple Song (-Avail) [performed by members of Titus Andronicus] Old New York (-Agnostic Front) [performed by members of Titus Andronicus & Converge] Gotta Go (-Agnostic Front) [performed by members of Titus Andronicus & Converge] Banned in DC (-Bad Brains) [performed by members of Converge] She (-Misfits) [performed by Wavves] Hollywood Babylon (-Misfits) [performed by Wavves] Neat Neat Neat (-the Damned) [performed by members of Psychadelic Porn Crumpets] Roxanne (-Police) [performed by Denzel Curry and Warpaint] Heart of Glass (-Blondie) [performed by members of Warpaint] Atomic (-Blondie) [performed by members of Warpaint] Psycho Killer (-Talking Heads) [performed by Denzel Curry and Peter Hook] Don't Worry About the Government (-Talking Heads) [performed by members of Peter Hook & the Light and Television] Judy is a Punk (-Ramones) [performed by members of Black Angels] Rockaway Beach (-Ramones) [performed by members of Black Angels] Blitzkrieg Bop [Gary Oldman level EVERYONE]
I don’t mind the schedule changes, but it feels unrealistic in the fact that we are merely changing schedules to better suit potential voters. Most festivals aren’t at the liberty to change set times just to satisfy prospective buyers. Typically when it’s out - it’s out - then they just deal with the backlash.
so been thinking about this since I have to throw Pond in there somewhere anyway, but, while I mostly agree with what you're saying this isn't Bonnaroo or Coachella etc changing the schedule last minute. All of these are essentially competing to be the next Bonnaroo. They can't all happen, they're not all being put out to sell tickets and if you buy tickets to a fest that's eliminated tough shit. Realistically this is more behind scenes, pre reveal to public for ticket sales. And tbh if Toddles decided they wanted to switch things back up dropping people here or there to throw in Coldplay, I don't think there's anything unrealistic, against the rules, or against the 'unwritten' rules we are running on.
I don’t mind the schedule changes, but it feels unrealistic in the fact that we are merely changing schedules to better suit potential voters. Most festivals aren’t at the liberty to change set times just to satisfy prospective buyers. Typically when it’s out - it’s out - then they just deal with the backlash.
so been thinking about this since I have to throw Pond in there somewhere anyway, but, while I mostly agree with what you're saying this isn't Bonnaroo or Coachella etc changing the schedule last minute. All of these are essentially competing to be the next Bonnaroo. They can't all happen, they're not all being put out to sell tickets and if you buy tickets to a fest that's eliminated tough shit. Realistically this is more behind scenes, pre reveal to public for ticket sales. And tbh if Toddles decided they wanted to switch things back up dropping people here or there to throw in Coldplay, I don't think there's anything unrealistic, against the rules, or against the 'unwritten' rules we are running on.
I truly don’t know why anyone would add stuff because it would just be more controversial than beneficial. Not sure if it’s legal, seems like an automatic poll.
i just think kpo and slack kinda screwed themselves out the gate w their top line being a copy of 2014's lineup + kanyes lineup from the last normal roo draft.
gocatsbob vs king james
realism: king james attendance: king james quality: gocatsbob
really close matchup, a lot to like about both lineups. would def be more excited to go to gocatsbobs but i think king james made a stronger lineup for the context of this game. biggest gripes being that the top 3 is pretty huge, reads more like a lolla lineup. and the fact that virtual self is 3rd on their day, feels like a major bump considering he was 4th on his day at iii points, when that project was prob at peak popularity. also kinda light on electronic overall. for gocatsbob like i said i just don't think 2/3 HLers that aren't explicitly aimed towards people 25 and under is possible for Bonnaroo 2021. and Sunday especially needs a little more for the zoomers.
again overall pretty close, but Frank and Neil are really carrying for jortletodd. dragonpit were able to just put together something a lot more effective in all 3 categories top to bottom. JT's biggest gripes being that friday doesn't have much for me, and saturday could be a little beefier. i think you prob have the strongest thursday in the game though. for dragonpit, i think aside from Dead & Co i think it feels more like a coachella lineup than a roo lineup, but not by a ton.
it's over but just to give my two cents: like i said with gocatsbob, i'm gonna have an issue with any lineup that has 2/3 HLers that aren't guarantee's with the young folk in 2021. and like i said, i just don't buy Cardi HLing after subbing the most recent edition of the festival. i'd prob like it more if this were a normal roo draft, but not for this game where we're supposed to be specifically booking for Roo 2021. aside from that, Ty Dolla Sign being 4th on his day, Leon Bridges 3rd, Schoolboy 3rd, all feel like major bumps. overall aside from the HLer's i do think this lineup has a really nice balance of options for the younger folks and the Roo vets.
weird matchup, the more i look at it the more i really like what last place party did. just a lot to like on each day, while still feeling like it could sell. as for bingrum, friday is surely the strongest day, and i'm not even really a fan of billie. Radiohead aside, saturday and sunday both have their positives (Radiohead>Godspeed>Bicep is great), but each feel kind of light.
teddys vs frazzledrip
realism: frazzledrip quality:teddys attendance: i feel the technical answer would be teddys, but their top 6 is so absurdly expensive that I can't give them the tie breaker.
didn't think i'd end up voting for the drip, but the lineup has grown on me. although Swift is a net negative for me, the pick was improved by her last album. as for the teddys, Beyonce / Foo's / Stevie / Chem Bros / SZA / Vampire Weekend is just absurdly huge, and although i like a lot of of it, i can't give it a pass in the context of this game.
capns vs team jesus
realism: team jesus attendance: capns quality: team jesus
like team jesus a lot. Kendrick / Dangelo / Herbie is godly, and overall it's probably the most creative lineup of the bunch. i think it says a lot that i like it this much when it has acts that are net negatives for me like GVF Lil Dicky. Waters has bugged me on a realism front all game, but I have a bigger issue w 5 potential HLers + a top 3 that is very early 2000s lolla. there is plenty i like and would be into. PJ, Gorillaz, Tyler, Kraftwerk, Thom, but there's just no where near enough for the zoomers in this top 15
think Monie Bear probably has the most underrated lineup in the game. just a lot to like top to bottom, even if Fleetwood is just Stevie at this point. Dua + Skrillex is a pretty interesting HLing duo, but i think it could actually perform well. and hov + justice really helps. as for jaz and fred, it is a really nice lineup, but the Sunday feels a little light, I don't think Twigs can hold down the spot she's in, and Gambino returning without an actual new album doesn't help either. I think Harry kinda carries it in a lot of ways, he was a fantastic pick for this draft but just needs a little more support around the edges imo.
so been thinking about this since I have to throw Pond in there somewhere anyway, but, while I mostly agree with what you're saying this isn't Bonnaroo or Coachella etc changing the schedule last minute. All of these are essentially competing to be the next Bonnaroo. They can't all happen, they're not all being put out to sell tickets and if you buy tickets to a fest that's eliminated tough shit. Realistically this is more behind scenes, pre reveal to public for ticket sales. And tbh if Toddles decided they wanted to switch things back up dropping people here or there to throw in Coldplay, I don't think there's anything unrealistic, against the rules, or against the 'unwritten' rules we are running on.
I truly don’t know why anyone would add stuff because it would just be more controversial than beneficial. Not sure if it’s legal, seems like an automatic poll.
based on what? If Todd and Jortles squeezed through and decided having Aphex and Borgore wasn't worth the hit to realism and quality, idk why they can't swap in Coldplay and slide Dolly to open for Neil.
I truly don’t know why anyone would add stuff because it would just be more controversial than beneficial. Not sure if it’s legal, seems like an automatic poll.
based on what? If Todd and Jortles squeezed through and decided having Aphex and Borgore wasn't worth the hit to realism and quality, idk why they can't swap in Coldplay and slide Dolly to open for Neil.
because that implies Coldplay is currently on their lineup and they aren’t. I think once voting has started, anyone not on your lineup can’t be added or dropped. Schedule and billing changes are just adjusting what’s already there.
Key here is “not sure”. It would just go to a poll and personally I’d vote it down. But we’re talking in hypotheticals and no one is actually thinking about it to my knowledge.
i feel like without all of us having access to the same info, costs of artists are very skeptical, and assigning points based on guesses is weird.
but Roger/Kendrick/Kacey (assuradely getting a raise as well as a HL bump) has to be as much or more than PJ/Gorillaz/Tool.
Tyler/Flo/Lionel also can't be more than their 2nd line. D'angelo is rare, i assume expensive, Chicks/Flo play the same venues, sure PtM is probably cheaper than Tyler, but Pearl Jam is cheaper than Roger, and MBV is likely more expensive w/ just as much pull as our 3rd line acts. Lionel probably plays similar sized venues as PtM.
We also don't have anyone on our lineup who's only played small super niche club shows and Art Basel.
We also have jam bands and more things that would play Lockn
also the only people to attempt a real comedy lineup, aside from the handful of people with comedy-bands. (even though it was highlit in the rules). i suppose muppets could be comedy, but you're also pushing being the first Thursday Which, and idk how expensive Muppets are, but i imagine it isn't a super cheap production, lots of bodies to pay.
some people may thing kraftwerk isn't a perfect fit, but everything else on our electronic for sure fits
hip hop ill take Gorillaz/Tyler/Wayne/Denzel/slowthai/Rashad/MIKE/Tempest/Phoelix/Armand Hammer/Little Brother/Jurassic 5, with Primo/Quest/Kali/Stwo holding down the adjacent slots.
Stapleton honestly should have probably been your Friday headliner. He probably shouldn't conflict with anything that conjures up Tennessee Whiskey.
Just wanted to point out that Stapleton is in that superjam. It runs for like an hour after his set ends, so the idea is that he would pop over for the last few songs to close it out. (a la Billy Idol & R Kelly with the Rock & Soul SJ in 2013)
- To my knowledge specifying who would play Grand Ole Opry wasn't mandatory and wouldn't think it'd be a big deal if we didn't. Some others haven't done that either. - How are Yungblud and Lil Tjay acts that Roo has never booked? They're both upcoming each in their own lane and would draw big crowds early on in the day (which I think is financially very important to not have your entire campsite full until 5 pm). - Don't think a Sunday really needs 'star power' since it's almost always the 'smallest' day of the weekend? Vince > Kamasi > TWOD > Solange > Paul is a fire run on the two stages. - Solange is now appropriately scheduled instead of the dirt they did to her in 2019. She'd pull of an insane show and would work well by sunset. - Most of the rest of the criticism is fine and understandable
Realism is defined by six factors I took into account: headliners (20%), the Other (20%), LN Programming/scheduling (20%), blues/jam (10%), realistic Thursday (10%), sell out?/finanially viable (20%) given a total score on 20. After that I subtracted points for acts who I deem unrealistic for Bonnaroo; -0,5 points for second liners and -0,1 for undercard acts.
Quality is based on the schedule presented layed out by clashfinder and by how much I would want to travel to the festival myself, like previous drafts.
Remarks: I. The Other does not represent what Roo would or should book with acts like Fatima Yamaha, SNBRN, Hot Since 82, Black Coffee, Mama Snake, Claptone, DJ Seinfeld, Kampire, DJ Tennis etc. II. Headliners and toplines are too expensive imo
Quality: Brass Against > Julia Nunes > Alfa Mist > Son Lux > Nick Hakim > Celeste > Algiers > Fontaines DC > ANNA Nilüfer Yanya > Sudan Archives > Amber Mark > Fatima Yamaha > gap > Sylvan Esso > Odesza > Jungle > RATM > RTJ > SJ > Mama Snake Glassjaw > gap > Kampire/Protomartyr/Mavis Staples is a harsh conflict > Khruangbin > Damien Rice > Björk > Thee Oh Sees > Lizzo > Porter Robinson > Deafheaven Kursa > DJ Tennis > Kelly Lee Owens > Little Dragon > Yaeji > Metallica
Remarks: I. Headliners are great, even if you've got essentially 2 metal headliners II. There's some exciting some on this undercard that I really like but there's to many things I'm just like "okay" about III. Genre diversity, scheduling is all pretty alright
Remarks: I. Both Kanye West's and LCD Soundsystem history with the festival should give an indication by how bad this top line makes this look. I'll give one point for Janet and Elton, I guess. II. The scheduling and especially the LN programming is an absolute mess, something I made comments about but barely anything was fixed to resolve this. III. There's barely any jam/blues unless I missed something. IV. This wouldn't sell well and feels very small apart from the big top 4?
Quality: The Hotelier > lovelytheband > Vegyn Alex Lahey > PHJB > Wolf Alice > gap > Bladee > Tommy Genesis > AG Cook > Kimbra > Janet > 100 gecs > LCD > Daphni PUP > gap > Washed Out > The Districts > Clairo > Albert Hammond Jr > DaBaby > The Flaming Lips > Kanye's shitshow > Rezz > Peggy Gou Angelo De Augustine > RBCF > Benjamin Clementine > gap > Bill Callahan > Neon Indian > Sasha & Digweed > ZHU
I. Headliners do basically nothing for me II. There's a few gems in this that would excite me but looking at the bigger names, there's really not much for me to see here
gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B (R: 4,75/10 Q: 5/10) avg.: 4,88
Remarks: I. The only headliner that makes somewhat sense for Bonnaroo is The Weeknd II. LN scheduling still looks like a mess to me III. Madonna, The Weeknd, Calvin Harris, Martin Garrix, Lauryn Hill feel like artists who ask a whole lot of money plus I don't think this would sell that well
Quality: Drugdealer > Odie > Caamp > Wallows > Skeggs > Faye Webster/Anna Of The North > Tank and the Bangas > Maxo Kream > Twiddle Franc Moody > Alvvays > Snail Mail > Chaka Khan > Three Six Mafia > CHIC > Earl > St. V > Bon Iver > Madonna > Kaytranada Porches > Alex Cameron > Japandroids/Big KRIT > Dirty Projectors > Little Simz > Kelela > UMO > Paak > Grimes > The Weeknd > Calvin Harris Anna Calvi > Yola > gap > Iron & Wine > SVE > Gary Clark Jr > Courtney Barnett > David Byrne > Lauryn Hill > Gilmour
I. Headliners are fine but don't actually make me jump out the window for this fest II. Second liners are pretty okay but most of them feel like they've been about everywhere III. Some pretty undercard acts during each day which is sweet
King T / JamesTheRam (R: 6,75/10 Q: 8/10) avg.: 7,38
Quality: Larkin Poe > Honey Harper > Tender > Viagra Boys > Loyle Carner > Barrie > Sleaford Mods > TRHPS > Amyl & The Sniffers Everything Everything > WWPJP > Parcels > Safia > serpentwithfeet > Deftones > Mount Kimbie > Summer Walker > Ariana Grande > Tycho > Slow Magic US Girls > Skeggs > Tennis > Foxing > King Krule > Ariel Pink > Death Cab > uh tf is this clashfest?? > Travis Scott > Robyn > Hannah Diamond > AnCo Mdou Moctar > Hiatus Kaiyote > Michael Kiwanuka > Hayley Williams > The Highwomen > Lianne La Havas > Lana Del Rey > New Order > Paul
I. Headliners are pretty great. Really wanted Travis, I like Ari and Paul is just your cheesy legendary closer of the weekend II. Some weird billing/scheduling issues in this where I end up not seeing a bunch of acts that would normally play Which/What instead of tents and visa versa III. There's a bunch of undercards which I reallyyyy wanna see so ya
DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit (R: 5,25/10 Q: 9/10) avg. 7,26
Remarks: I. The Other looks nothing like what it's supposed to be even when sprinkled with a bunch of acts that would normally play Roo II. Unless I missed something but there's barely any blues/jam on this? Fixed.
Quality: Liv.e > Sessa > Thaiboy Digital > Ecco2k > Jerry Paper > DJ Boring > Lido Piemento > Rina Sawayama > Kenny Beats Tinariwen > Special Request > Violent Femmes > Tom Misch > Low > Brittany Howard > Rico Nasty > Spiritualized > Rihanna > Megan > Charli GUM > La Femme > Bad Gyal > DJ Python > Caroline Polachek > Natalia Lafourcade > Toro y Moi > Yung Lean > clashfest > gap > Soulwax > Bad Bunny > Floating Points girl in red > The Wailers > Andy Shauf > Galcher Lustwerk > Mall Grab > Fleet Foxes > Connan > Turkuaz > Jorja > Dead & co
Remarks: I. MCR isn't my cup of tea but the scheduling makes up for a little break II. Probably my favorite undercard out of the bunch
Remarks: I. Thursday doesn't feel realistic with bookings like Lingua Agnota, Lithurgy, Kelsey Lu, Smerz and Peggy all together on the same evening II. While the headliners are realistic imo, I think everything together would cost a lot of money. It would sell out tho but at what cost?
Quality: Smerz > Mk.gee > Lingua Agnota > Kelsey Lu > ATLiens > Turnstile > Maduk > Jpegmafia Judah & The Lion > Pussy Riot > FAK > Laura Marling > Mitski > Woods > 1975 > Dolly > Electric Wizard > SOAD > Above & Beyond Jessie Reyez > Lil Ugly Mane > Marian Hill > Rapsody > Hinds > Brandi > Weyes Blood > Robert Plant > Joanna > Frank > Aphex > Avalanches Jean Grae > gap > Smokepurpp > Melody's Echo Chamber > Jacques Greene > Jenny Hval > Spoon > Modest Mouse > Ween > Dave Chapelle > Neil
Remarks: I. Neil and Dolly don't do much for me personally but I'd see Frank in a heartbeat II. Really dope undercard where I'd hop from one thing to the next
Remarks: I. LN schedule feels very alternative and not that zoomer friendly II. There's barely to no blues/country/jam on this III. For a Bonnaroo line-up, this feels very small
Quality: Hovvdy > Lydia Ainsworth > Meduza > Oso Oso > Open Mike Eagle > the comedy thing > Ezra Collective > Zomboy Joseph > Lonnie Holley > Alex G > Ezra Furman > Stella Donnely > Let's Eat Grandma > Erykah > Roddy > Tame > Wu-Tang > RL Grime > Blood Orange > Jon Hopkins Johanna Warren > Charly Bliss > Hundred Waters > Julien Baker > Sons Of Kemet > Curtis Harding > Giraffage > Kehlani > Beck > Gesa > Lorde > Danny Brown > Arca > DJ Shadow KOKOKO! > Cass > Kurt > HNNY/Torres > Jeff Rosenstock > Shamir > Octavian > Francis > Jenny > Grace Jones > Bruce
Remarks: I. Headliners are 3/3 for me; Bruce, Tame and Lorde is a very nice set of headliners II. Some werd billing issues here and there III. overall very nice undercard that speaks to me
fearandparanoia / money / problem dog (R: 7,4/10 Q: 8/10) avg.: 7,7
Remarks: I. The Other feels a bit to niche and to small II. While The Stones may cost a fuckton of money, getting The Cure and Cardi as 2-3 is a great and financially well solution for your headliners imo but I'm questioning how well this exactly would sell cause idk.
Quality: Jockstrap > Alexandra Savior > Minami Deutsch > DVG > The Chats > Sam Gellaîtry > Sundara Karma > Xie > Moaning > Goose > Kai Amadou & Mariam > Boris > Idles > Shannon & The Clams > Battles/Feist > Gogo Pinguin > Shura > Carly > Sampa The Great > Future Islands > Cardi > Disclosure/Comet is a v hard clash ngl > Lane 8 Angelique Kidjo > Jeff Goldblum > Wolf Parade > Gang Of Youths > Margo Price > Jamila Woods > Flo Milli > Roosevelt > Maribou State > Sturgill > Aluna > The Stones > Jamie xx > DJ Koze Baaba Maal > JTE > Jessie > Ride > Valerie June > Schoolboy Q > Christine > Jonsi > Sia > Interpol > The Cure
Remarks: I. Headliners are great and combo Cure-Stones is paired well with Cardi as thirth headliner tho idk if she's a justified headliner idk II. undercard is really deep, diverse and I'm really into it III. Only comment I'd make about this is that there's some really weird billing issues here (some being billed to high, others to low)
Remarks: I. Feel like our line-up hits every spot that it needs to hit with a few niche stuff sprinkled in there to spice things up while on other fields maintaining/building upon the things that are already there
Quality: Porridge Radio > spellling > Femdot > King Tuff > TFS > Anamaguchi > Léon > Brutus > Herobust > Jeanie Nubya Garcia > Hand Habits > Mahalia > Sampha > Dorian Electra > Angel Olsen > BOCC > HAIM > Billie > Sufjan > Caribou > Virtual Riot Dream Wife > Miya Folick > Arlo Parks > Empress Of > Poppy > Moses Sumney > The Raconteurs > SJ > Radiohead > GY!BE > Bicep KAINA > Marika Hackman > Cherry Glazerr > Jay Som > LIZ > Vince Staples > Kamasi Washington > TWOD > Solange > Paul Simon
Remarks: I. Radiohead-Billie is massive, Paul Simon feels a bit like a dud since I'm not a massive fan of Simon & Garfunkel (and at that point, the options were getting very select aswell so my favorite legends were long gone in rounds 1-2 so) but a great legendary act that has never played Roo nonetheless. II. Undercard, Other line up, SJ.. I obv like my own line up and the schedule laid out gives a lot of options and clashes for me personally so yeah. I like our own line up lol.
Remarks: I. While I do like that there's a live aspect included, I feel like there's a bit to many weird scheduling going on here II. LN programming breathes 'old' to me, apart from the Other there's nothing zoomers would be into late at night I think III. This would cost a ton of money given the first couple of lines and at what cost? Drake and Jack White make sense as headliners, the addition of Depeche Mode, The National, Massive Attack etc. really don't.
Quality: CL > Day Wave > The Surfrajets > Slayyyter > Mallrat > The Regrettes > Shaed Meute > Thunderpussy > Princess Nokia > HFTRR > Clipping. > YYYs > MIA > NiN > M83 > Drake > Jehnny Beth > Goldfrapp Sir Sly > Mt Joy > grandson > Holy Fuck > HEALTH > Moor Mother > Bob Moses > KKB > The National > Depeche Mode > Massive Attack Anna Von Hausswolf > Dream Wife > Wild Nothing > Noname > Xiu Xiu > King Princess > Parquet Courts/Janelle > Cut Copy > JW
Remarks: I. I do actually quite like the headliners on here II. Undercard has some nice must see acts for me + can actually lay out a perfectly fine route for the whole weekend, quality wise this is fine for my tastes
Theo / Teddy Flair (R: 7,1/10 Q: 6,5/10) avg.: 6,8
Remarks: I. Beyoncé is the most expensive headliner there is, pairing her with Foo Fighters (a very expensive headliner themselves) doesn't really win me over. Stevie is fine but then there's also Miranda Lambert.
Quality: Dehd > Gupi & Fraxiom > Billy Woods > Droeloe > Vincent > Powfu > Negro Terror > Lil Mosey > Knocked Loose Wave Racer > Lolo Zouaï > Caspa > Missio > Foals > Saweetie > VW > Carti > Foo's > Chem Bros > SJ > Excision White Reaper > Half Alive > Quelle Chris > Oliver Tree > Franz Ferdinand > Alice Merton > Rocky > Bey > Daughters > Glass Animals > MGMT > Diplo Haley Hendrickx > Ripe > Courtney Marie Andrews > gap > Vulfpeck > Caroline Rose > SZA > Stevie
Remarks: I. Headliners are just fine, not particulary a big fan of either of the three II. Undercard is alright, not a lot of must sees or stuff I'd be looking out for all weekend, it's just okay
Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth (R: 6,95/10 Q: 8/10) avg.: 7,48
Remarks: I. This is not how The Other would and/or is supposed to look like, I get the whole improving thing but there's barely anything here for the wook community + some weird billings here, other than that, this looks like a very realistic Bonnaroo line-up despite being the headliners very out there
Quality: Lydia Loveless > Blue Hawaii > The Coathangers > Nerija > Jesus Piece > Omar Apollo > Half Waif > Mariah The Scientist > Headie One > Makaya McCraven > Octo Octa & Eris Drew Dogleg > This Is The Kit > Wye Oak > Men I Trust > James Murphy > Floorplan > Japanese House > Giorgio Morodor > Phoebe > Rosalia (v Griselda & Eric Prydz is brutal) > Maiden > One More Time > Bonobo > Sigur Ros The Beths > Hiromi > Waxahatchee > Sigrid > Jay > Tops > The Antlers > Lil Uzi > Hot Chip > Tay > QOTSA > Nina Kraviz KeiyaA > Caspian > Amen Dunes > Wooden Shjips > Lapsley > Brockhampton > Georgia > Mark Ronson v Kevin Parker > SJ > Blessed Madonna > Phish
Remarks: I. Headliners aren't necessarily all for me but really good undercard
Capn Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac (R: 6,2/10 Q: 8/10) avg.: 7,1
Remarks: I. Pearl Jam, Tool, Tyler are a fine headliner set II. LN-schedule is very alternative minded + some weird scheduling issues III. With 5 headliners and a very alternative bunch of second line acts, this would cost a lot of money to sustain a healthy organisation IV. This line-up feels and looks very old
Quality: Hockey Dad > Lola Young > stwo > Celeste > Stonefield > Ravyyn Lenae > PPC > Kae > Jessy Lanza > Kikagoku Moyo > Mike > The Murlocs Inter Arma > The Church > Regina Spektor > Santigold > Zola Jesus > Slowthai/PJ Harvey/Warpaint is a clusterfuck I don't like > Tyler > Danny > Tool > Kraftwerk > Infected Mushroom/Tortoise Larkin Poe > Built to Spill > Titus > Of Montreal > Patti Smith > Bat For Lashes > Florence > boygenius > Gorillaz > Black Angels > Big Freedia > Honey Dijon > Sasami Phoelix > Moon Duo > No Age > Perfume Genius > Sinkane > Kali Uchis > EitS > Panda Bear > Thom > PJ
Remarks: I. Headliners are 3/3 for me II. Undercard is right up my alley aswell though I would've liked a little bit more younger-feeling acts especially on top
Remarks: I. Same thing with Gilmour, Waters barey plays festivals and would cost a fuckton of money. Other headliners are fine. II. Other line-up feels way to small on size of names, it's not a tent lol and the kind of names are not the type of stuff that would play it; Warnymph, Kamaal Williams, Park Hye Jin, Jlin, JETS, Laff Traxx etc. Only sunday feels somewhat realistic.
Quality: Puzzle > Yeek > Naked Giants > Calpurnia > Banoffee > INVT > Tei Shi > Phony Ppl > Boy Harsher > Park Hye Jin > Ho99o9 Cub Sport > Mild High Club > The Marias > Homeshake > Flamingosis > Princess > gap > D'Angelo > Japanese Breakfast > Kendrick > Todd Terje > Four Tet Preoccupations > Kilo Kish > Yumi Zouba > Durand Jones > Galcher > Royal Blood > FJM > Doja Cat > BBNG > CSH > Kacey > Earthgang > MBV Allan Rayman > Julia Holter > John Maus/Koffee > Sun Ra > crumb > Mac > Steve Lacy > Deerhunter > Roger Waters
Remarks: I. Headliners are fine, Kacey is prolly the most exciting one for me out of the three here II. LN schedule is dope and undercard is fine but not really that many must sees for me
Remarks: I. Some weird scheduling issues (Skrillex should not get such a long set time when Dua is clearly the headliner here) and Chris should've def co-headlined with Dua II. Thursday feels a bit to big tho
Quality: G Flip > Lauren Saunderson > Otoboke Beaver > Scarypoolparty > Nasty Cherry > Leikeli47 > Alice Glass > beabadoobee > Manila Killa > Orville Peck > Two Feet > SiR ATW > Black Pumas > Vera Blue > clashfest > gap > J Balvin > HER > Dua > Swae Lee I guess > SOPHIE > Skrillex > James Blake Poolside > Natalie Prass > big gap > Normani > Yves Tumor > Cage > Jay-Z > Justice > FKJ (SJ is scheduled way to late tbh) Best Coast > Benjamin Booker > Soccer Mommy > Sky Ferreira > gap > SOHN > Jhené/Daughter > Chris Stapleton > Kudi > Fleetwood Mac
I. With some scheduling changes, I would've liked this more tbh. Headliners are pretty solid and ones I'd be into seeing II. Undercard lacks for me personally
Remarks: I. Whole thing hits the mark tho maybe it's a little bit too poppy? Think a big rock act would've completed this easily. Don't know how well AF and Gambino would pull in 2021 tho
Quality: Anna Meredith > Ex Eye > CHAI > Sorry > Confidence Man > Altin Gün > Tourist > Junglepussy > Cordae > Peekaboo Dua Saleh > Calypso Rose > Tanya Tagaq > Lucius > Cherub > Raphael Saadiq > TLC > Belle & Sebastian > Harry > Maggie > Gambino > Thundercat > King Gizz > Flux Pavilion Lo Moon > Shame > gap > Mon Laferte > Mulatu Asktate > London Grammar > Phosphorecent > gap > Twigs > Beach House > Gaga > Slowdive > FlyLo Crack Cloud > The HU > Cate Le Bon > Aldous Harding > Johnny Marr > Big Thief > Push > alt-J > The xx > SURVIVE > AF
Remarks: I. Headliners are fine, combination is ace but not entirely for me personally II. Harry, Beach House and a bunch of others are great, undercard is on par with being able to fill in a nice route
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And I hate how in the first round teams like Moniebear, Todd/Jortles, Teddy/Theo and Pepe/Nathan who I think did a good to great job and went flying but yeah.. :/
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I haven’t actually gone through anyone’s schedules yet, so I’m doing it all in one post. I also haven’t really read anyone’s comments or paid too much attention to the discussion, so sorry if I’m rehashing the same commentary. I also feel like my thoughts got lazier as I went on. So I’m sorry to those who are later in the list if you feel like I didn’t give enough feedback.
Sang/Deto Thursday: Literally the only thing I know on your Thursday is Elder Island, who has been around for a while and probably wouldn’t play Thursday irl. But I do love them, so at least I’d be excited to see them.
Friday: Nilüfer Yanya (her name is spelled wrong on your schedule and poster btw)> ? > Warren Haynes > De La Soul > Twin Shadow > Hot Since 82 > Black Coffee > Primus vs Jungle > Rage > RTJ vs SBTRKT > Superjam
I like this day a lot. Besides the one gap early in the day there is something I like going on in every time slot. The two conflicts I have above are especially hard for me bc even tho I like Jungle and RTJ prob a bit more than who they’re up against, I’ve also seen them more recently than I’ve seen Primus and SBTRKT. Which is why it’d be a game time decision on both. The only thing that stands out to me on this day is the Odesza booking. I think they just played in that same time slot like last year or the year before. Which I don’t hold against anyone too much for booking people who recently played, but in a prime spot like a preHL, it stands out a lot more.
Saturday: Steel Pulse > Oddisee > Mavis Staple > Digable Planets > either see a bit of Khrangbin, or > just stay put for Common > a bit of down time > Freddie Gibbs vs Weezer > Lizzo > Wale > end of Porter I guess?
This day starts off super strong for me, but then it really falls off hard. (Steel Pulse at Roo would be amazing, love this pick) I’m not a Bjork fan, so even tho I get how she’s a big draw for some people, she does nothing for me. I’ve kinda seen Weezer once (SXSW show, so it wasn’t a normal set, but from what I remember it was a full set?), and I’ve never seen Freddie Gibbs. But I’m more familiar with Weezer, so again, this would be a game time decision. I just saw Lizzo in January and in addition to just the general shittiness that is COVID, it sucks that we didn’t get to see what a headlining set from her would’ve been. The set I saw in January was nowhere near a headlining show, so I’m super curious. Lizzo is my shit tho and we were robbed of that 2020 set and I’d 100% be down for that. This late night…. is just not for me. I would probably have a good time at Wale, but it doesn’t excite me on the surface. I’ve seen Porter Robinson and for me that could be any of the big party DJs. Then the others just aren’t my thing. So this day has high highs for me and really low lows.
Sunday: Sarah Jarosz? But realistically I prob wouldn’t go into centeroo until Jill Scott > The Roots > Little Dragon > Khalid > Yaeji > Metallica
This day is obviously the lightest for me. I like Le Youth, but I’d see The Roots, and I love Poliça, but I’d see Little Dragon. So for a day that has so little for me it sucks that it also has some hard conflicts. I’d check out Metallica bc I’ve never seen them, but I’m not big into metal or really hard rock, so I don’t know how much I’d enjoy it.
KPO/Slack
Thursday: The Ladies of LCD > lovelytheband
Again, another Thursday I don’t know much of. I hope this isn’t a trend Though I guess knowing like 2-3 acts on Thursday is very Bonnaroo….
Friday: ? > Lewis Del Mar > San Fermin? > ? Rex Orange County > Kimbra > Janet > ? > Noah Cyrus > Dead Petz SJ vs Daphni
This day is all over the place. I am not interested in a lot of it, not that I don’t know it I’m just not a fan of it. So I feel like I’d spend most of the day just bopping around. Love Janet as a headliner. I know people on here have differing opinions on her as a HL, but I like it. LCD LN tho feels really weird. They’re a headliner, so I feel like if you were going to do this, you should’ve swapped LCD and Janet, or not taken LCD at all if you wanted Janet as the unopposed HL. Having them there feels almost like you forgot about them and had to put them somewhere. I also love the Miley SJ and wouldn’t miss it, but I’ve never seen Daphni so I’d prob end up bouncing between them or splitting them. Depending on mood
Saturday: ? > Washed Out > The Districts > Clairo > ? > Da Baby > Estelle > Kanye > Dan Deacon/Rezz > Peggy Gou
Again, this schedule…. Your late night in particular feels like its missing slots. You have two things on with nothing in the tents, then suddenly there’s 4 things directly conflicting. You also have PUP as the only thing happening for the first hour of the day, which looks odd. Anyways, love washed out, they’d be a great day act but I’m not sure they’d play the what. I also think that Clairo and Foster the People prob should be swapped, in that Clairo would prob play the Which, and FtP the What, but that time slot would be too early for FtP. I like the Estelle pick a lot. It stands out something unique and having Estelle > Kanye would be a great run for me. I don’t think Dan Deacon could fill the which, but I’d prob split Dan Deacon and Rezz to make my LN feel more full. But having like an hour and a half gap between your preHL and your HL and your sub isn’t ideal. So yea, idk… the timing of this day just throws me off a bit, but I do like a lot of what’s playing this day (Washed Out, Clairo, Estelle, Kanye - yes, even 2020 Kanye would prob put on a bomb ass show, you’d just have to sit through the ranting. Which, happens anyways, you just have to deal with more infuriating ranting in 2020)
Sunday: Frank Turner > Mansionair (❤️) > Amine > ? > Neon Indian? > start of Sasha & Digweed > Miley > Elton
You have a 2.5 hour gap on the which stage between Bill Callahan and Billy Idol. Is this intentional or is something missing here? You also have a another 1.5 gap on the what again. This day starts off super strong for me and when I realised that I was like “oh, cool. Here we go.” But then I hit 5pm and it just falls off again. But then you have Miley and that does a lot for me. I love me some Miley and I’ve never seen her. Was super excited see what her Roo 2020 set would’ve been like.
Thursday: Charlotte Lawrence > Skegss > ? > SG Lewis
Having the Who stage running on Thursday was an interesting choice. I also love SG Lewis, but I don’t think he can play for over 2 hours (when he was here last year I think his set was like barely an hour and a half and that was at his own show). Overall I just don’t know a lot here. Shocker. But I do like Charlotte Lawrence and SG Lewis a lot.
Friday: Warren G > Alvvays > Chaka Khan > Three 6 vs Remi Wolf > CHIC > Earl Sweatshirt > ST Vincent > Bon Iver > Madonna > T Pain > end of Kaytranda
Ok, so this is kinda what I was worried was going to happen when I saw you had the Who stage… Your LN here is only 4 acts and they all conflict. That could’ve been avoided. Late nights are what make Bonnaroo different from the other big 4 (Coach, Lolla, ACL), so to me they’re the second most important part of the schedule (the first being the sub-preHL-HL stack). So to have your LN be so light and simultaneously conflict ridden is a hard strike against you imo. I also wish I had an explanation of your SJ. However, this day is jam packed with stuff I really like and would be super excited to see. So I can’t decide how I feel about it.
Saturday: Jampandriods > Dirty Projectors > Little Simz > Gucci > Blondie > Anderson Paak > Grimes > The Weeknd > I guess the SJ?
Did I miss the explanation of what your SJs are? I’m sorry if those are listed someone and I’m just missing them.. Anyways, this day is jam packed for me. Of the 3 schedules I’ve looked at so far this is my favourite day I’ve seen. It’s back to back with people I actually like and listen to, and I’m actually having to make decisions to skip people to see others, like a real festival. So well done. Still not loving the way you did your LNs tho, and I have some other scheduling nitpicks here, but I’m going to let them go bc the day is really strong.
Sunday: Anna Calvi > Tegan and Sara > Sheryl Crow > Probably Sharon Van Etten or Passion Pit > GCJ > Lil Baby > David Byrne > Lauryn Hill > David Gilmour
Ok… so… I have some scheduling gripes here that take away realism points for me. Passion Pit has played the What before, they wouldn’t be in a tent. Purity Ring wouldn’t be on the other, and I don’t think Tegan and Sara would be in a tent either. With all that aside this day is ok for me. Don’t love it, don’t hate it. I do love the GCJ > David Byrne > Gilmour run tho.
T/JTR
Thursday: Larkin Poe > Viagra Boys > RHPS > Amyl & the Sniffers
A lot of dead time, but that’s par for the course on Thursday.
Friday: ? > Peking Duk > Parcles > Lily Allen or AAR > serpentwithfeet > Deftones > Kygo? > Galantis > Ariana > Oysterhead vs Big Boi > Slow Magic vs Lettuce
Don’t know the acts before Peking Duk, and I’m not sure if they’d be on the other? When I saw them it was in the middle of the day and I guess I could see it, but I feel like they’re a little too poppy to be on the other. Idk. I actually like the all American rejects pick and could totally see myself going to that. Feels like a very bonnaroo day time tent act. Love Oysterhead LN, hate that it conflicts with Big Boi LN, which would be dope. Slow Magic and Lettuce don’t do much for me, but I’d prob go to one of them just to have something to do. So I wish I could’ve had a stronger end to an otherwise great day.
Saturday: Skeggs > Tennis > Damian Marley > Lukas Nelson > Loretta Lynn > FBS vs Deathcab > The Internet vs Pablo Vittar > Travis Scott > Robyn > end of Parcles SJ > AnCo
Very strong day, but I think some easy swaps in scheduling would make it feel stronger. I don’t think The Internet is a sub. You should swap them with Loretta Lynn. There’s also no way in hell FBS would be in a tent. He’s a LN Which or a sub. So I’d prob swap FBS and The Internet actually, and I guess leave Loretta in a tent, even tho I think she’s too big for a tent as well. But that makes more sense than having FBS in a tent. Or at the very least put him on the other where you have virtual self.
Sunday: Hiatus Kaiyote > Michael Kiwanuka > Pink Sweat$ > The Kills > Grouplove? > Bright Eyes > New Order vs Majid Jordan > Paul
New Order vs Majid Jordan is actually painful for me. But I’d prob go with New Order (even tho I’ve already seen them like…. 3? 4? times…) bc New Order > Paul would be dope. I’ve never seen Majid Jordan tho, so I could see myself changing it up. Idk. With that being said, as much as I love New Order, they can’t fill the which. Especially not at Roo. They played to a tent that was like 3/4 full at Coach in 2017. So I think you could swap them with Bright Eyes here. Or do more finagling (sp??) and put Wiz Khalifa as your sub, New Order in a tent and then move someone to the other? That would prob take a lot more moving around, but yea.. you get my point. My last comment here is that this doesn’t feel like a Bonnaroo Sunday. The What kinda does, but the rest of it doesn’t.
Overall this was close, but I gave this to cats and danbob bc their overall lineup goes further for me. Even tho T and JTR have Paul and Robyn, which are big gets for me.
Thursday: LOL. I know literally no one on this day. I am not cool enough for you guys. This is going to be a joke. I do know Wand though, so I’d see them.
Very strong day for me, and virtually every slot has a conflict for me. Tim Heidecker is comedy isn’t he? Weird choice having a random comedian in a tent in the middle of the day? But maybe you have others and I just don’t know their names?
Saturday: Kool & the Gang > Caroline Polachek > Toro y Moi > ? > YG >Ladies Night vs Bad Bunny > Floating Points
Ok, I see you’ve just done a comedy act each day in a tent. That makes more sense… Good day. Not nearly as loaded as Friday which makes me think that some scheduling changes could help make Friday feel less crazy and Saturday more stacked. But At least I have something to see pretty much every slot. Not a fan of MCR as a headliner… I’m not sure why they’re suddenly so cool again, but like… they weren’t that cool at the height of their popularity let alone now. I really don’t get the appeal. And I can’t even pull the “im just old” card here bc they were at their peak when I was in high school, so my age group is like their target market. I just don’t get it. Also, I hate that your SJ conflicts with Bad Bunny. Idk who NxWorries is, but you should swap them with the SJ so that I can see both… Good talk.
Sunday: The Wailers > Ja Rule & Ashanti (lol. Is this a thing? I had no idea) > Smino > Jimmy Eat World > Flight of the Conchords > Pharrell > Jorja Smith > Dead & Co
Good day. Not much to say. I have a pretty clear path of who I’d see and not many conflicts, if any actually. Your headliners are probably the most Roo-feeling headliners so far. I could actually see Rihanna - Dead & Co - MCR, or a similar combo happening.
The Realism Twins
Thursday: Topaz Jones, 070 Shake and JPEGMAFIA would be fun. I know nothing else on this day (Except Liturgy which isn’t my thing.)
Friday: Blues Traveler > First Aid Kit > Bazzi > Mitski > Woods > ? > Ellie Goulding? > Dolly > Big Sean > SAOD > Above & Beyond > end of Death Grips
This is a super full day for me and also a very easy path of who I’d see. I do have a gap where I’d prob see the 1975, but they do nothing for me, so it’s not something that really stands out in that spot, ya know? Ellie Goulding is also kinda like the 1975 in that she’s kinda wallpapery.. so it’s just kinda a weak run before the headliner. Dolly would be fun tho, so I’m all about that.
Saturday: Jessie Reyez > Tones & I > Marian Hill > Troye Sivan > Big Daddy Kane > Brandi Carlile > Weyes Blood > Robert Plant > Mary J Blige > Frank > Aphex > DJ Snake?
This is a big day of a lot of stuff I’d be excited for. Big Daddy Kane is a great, left field Bonnaroo pick. Just the right amount of conflicts, but they’re like half conflicts bc I want to see both acts but it’s obvious where I go. And I feel like that’s the sign of a good lineup. I think it was a good choice to put Finneas against Aphex, bc you cater to the music nerds and the zoomers without pissing either group off. It was good use of Aphex imo. I will say that of the cheese edm, DJ Snake is one of the better picks in that he has more popular/fun songs to cycle though so it’d be a fun show. However, I’ve seen him a bunch of times now bc he’s a bit of a festival whore, so it’s a little uninspiring at the same time. If you had someone like Fatboy Slim or something in this spot it’d be a great way to end the day.
Sunday: ? > Melody’s Echo Chamber > David Crosby > Bela Fleck > Spoon > Modest Mouse > Dave Chapelle > Neil Young
This day is a little sparse for me, but it’s a very Bonnaroo Sunday. Modest Mouse > Dave Chapelle > NYCH is a great way to end the weekend and feels like something Roo would schedule.
The irony of you guys getting so much shit throughout the game for being “unrealistic” is hilarious to me bc this feels like one of the more bonnaroo schedules I’ve seen so far. I will say that I know you guys took Coldplay and decided to keep them and I think that it was kind of a good move? But I prob would’ve kept them on and dropped the 1975 instead. Then did Dolly > Coldplay. Then swapped Aphex and Big Sean, and moved SOAD after Frank on Saturday. Totally selfish take tho bc I’d rather see Coldplay over the 1975, Dolly over Ellie and I think the LN swaps would beef up Saturday a bit (kinda along the same lines why I said FBS would be better in DJ Snakes place, just adds a little umph to the day…)
This matchup was really hard for me…. I think based on the lineup alone I’d give it to dragon pit, but when I look at the schedule I see a lot more at with the realism twins… so I’m giving it to them.
Thursday: The only stuff I know this day is your comedy SJs, Beats Antique, Ezra Collective and Popadosio. None of which would actually be on Thursday. I take that back, I do know Fantastic Negrito and he would be a good Thursday act. But I would at least have fun on this day, even if it is very unrealistic
Friday: Village People > Bleachers > Chicano Batman > The Shins > WILLOW > Erykah Badu > Knife Party > Tame > Wu Tang > Blood Orange > Jon Hopkins/Tiesto
This feels like a very bonnaroo day and I like it. I still don’t like tame as a headliner, but that’s the world we live in so it’s nothing against you. They just don’t do much for me, but overall I think this is a really strong day and I’d fun at everything. I mean, any day that I start off with the village people is gonna be dope.
Saturday: Front Bottoms > ? > NERD > Kehlani > Beck > Gesa > Lorde > Danny Brown > Prob MMJ
So, I have no idea where I’d go really until NERD started. Not bc I don’t know any of it, but bc nothing really stands out as something I’d really want to see. So I’d prob just not come into centeroo until NERD started (which, tbf, irl I didn’t go into centroo a few times until 6 or later. Either from lack of interest or being hungover. So I guess you get realism points there 😂). I’m also confused.. I didn’t realise you were making Beck and Lorde dual headliners… I think this would’ve been stronger if you had Beck just pre HL for Lorde and made Lorde your headliner. Which I think is kinda what you guys were going for having him start at 9, but having Lorde at midnight makes the LN feel all over the place. Also hate that Gesa / Temples conflict 😥. I’m not a big MMJ person either. They’re good, but over 2 hours LN is a lot, though I guess it doesn’t create a conflict for me really, but the rest of the night is a little lacklustre, so it’s prob where I’d go. But I don’t think DJ Shadow would be in a tent, so idk.
Sunday: Ximena Sariñana > Allison Krauss > Shamir > Miguel > Lil Nas X > Grace Jones > Bruce
I’m a big Bruce Springsteen person but he’s a great pick for a Sunday headliner. This day feels like a bonnaoo Sunday.
Jones/Problem Dog/Emoney
Thursday: Remi Wolf.. we took her too. She must’ve been one of the most picked FAs. Outside of her and Death Valley Girls I don’t know much on here.
Friday: Amadou & Mariam > Strand of Oaks > IDLES/Clean Bandit > Battles > Joan Jett > Ty Dolla $ign > Carly Rae Jepsen > Honne > Cardi B > Disclosure > Kevin Abstract vs Lane 8
Very full day with a lot of conflicts or attempted splitting sets. LN isn’t my favourite, mainly bc I have a passing interest in everything after Disclosure, and I’ve already seen disclosure twice (maybe three times? I can’t remember). But they have at least put out a new album, so hopefully the show would be different than the past ones I’ve seen. As I said above, late nights are a very important part of roo for me, so if the late night is lacking it’s a pretty big deal for me.
Saturday: Jeff Goldblum > Wolf Parade > Gang of Youths > Margo Price > Jamila Woods > Leon Bridges > Maribou State > Sturgill > Stones > Kim Petras > some of the SJ and/or end of Jamie? > DJ Koze
This LN is much better than Friday’s and big points for stones bc they’re prob the top name on the “plausible headliners roo hasn’t booked yet” list. Not that I’ll actually being going to Roo anytime soon, but still. This day also gives me my first 4-way conflict of all the schedules so far… Joey Bada$$ vs Maribou State vs New Pornogrphers vs Sturgill. Very diverse, but I’ve never seen any of them (except maybe sturgill? I think I may have seen him at roo in 15?). But the way they’re scheduled means you COOOOULLLLD see all 4 if you wanted to split all the sets.. So at least there that? But then there’s nothing for me in that sub spot, so I’d just camp for the stones, which is fine with me tbh. Interesting choice putting your SJ on the other… I prob would’ve swapped that with DJ Koze.
Sunday: Jessie Ware > Salt N Pepa > Valerie June > School Boy Q > Christine and the Queens > Sia > Benny Benassi > The Cure
Like the other days, its a very diverse day of music. Not very Sunday at roo feeling, but it’s a good ass day of music. Overall probably the most realistic scheduling.
I'll do the final 4 tomorrow after work. Night y'all.
Realism is defined by six factors I took into account: headliners (20%), the Other (20%), LN Programming/scheduling (20%), blues/jam (10%), realistic Thursday (10%), sell out?/finanially viable (20%) given a total score on 20. After that I subtracted points for acts who I deem unrealistic for Bonnaroo; -0,5 points for second liners and -0,1 for undercard acts.
No shade, but I'm guessing you aren't a big fan of jam and southern rock/blues but my lineup probably has the two best living blues guitarists in Derek Trucks and Joe Bonamassa.
TTB is a top 5 jam band right now too, and the Trey & Derek/Susan shows at Lockn last year were a massive hit in the jam community.
Skrillex should not get such a long set time when Dua is clearly the headliner here
Fwiw, I took this scheduling directly from a past bonnaroo lineup when they did a co-headling LN What situation in 2015. I did give him an extra 30 mins, but that's not that big of a deal imo since he's closing the stage. I like having a lot of options for LN which is why I extended his set.
And I hate how in the first round teams like Moniebear, Todd/Jortles, Teddy/Theo and Pepe/Nathan who I think did a good to great job and went flying but yeah.. :/
And I appreciate this. I've never understood why seeding works the way it does. It makes no sense.
Either way, I like the way our lineup came out and even tho most people are either tearing it apart or seem to have little to no comment on it at all, I think it'd be a good ass time and covers all the bases. It's got legends, zoomer stuff, wook stuff, some heavy stuff, some laid back stuff. I'm a fan. I think Chris Stapleton into Fleetwood would be a great ass run, and idk why you'd want to see someone else in that spot.
Also, someone said they "didn't get" Diana Ross into Jay Z and that's just crazy talk. That's prob my favourite back to back pairing of the weekend.
Realism is defined by six factors I took into account: headliners (20%), the Other (20%), LN Programming/scheduling (20%), blues/jam (10%), realistic Thursday (10%), sell out?/finanially viable (20%) given a total score on 20. After that I subtracted points for acts who I deem unrealistic for Bonnaroo; -0,5 points for second liners and -0,1 for undercard acts.
No shade, but I'm guessing you aren't a big fan of jam and southern rock/blues but my lineup probably has the two best living blues guitarists in Derek Trucks and Joe Bonamassa.
TTB is a top 5 jam band right now too, and the Trey & Derek/Susan shows at Lockn last year were a massive hit in the jam community.
I did try to go as throughly as possible for everyone on the factors I lined out and I probably did think you booked some but maybe just could've added a little bit more idk, 1,5/2 is still good.
Quick comment regarding Sufjan as LN on our lineup, as multiple people have critiqued that: his album coming out this month has released 3 singles that are much more in the synth pop/Age of Adz leaning realm, so realism wise I absolutely believe a 2021 Suf show WOULD be like those higher energy 2016 AoA ones he did
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Though I guess knowing like 2-3 acts on Thursday is very Bonnaroo….
