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Using my own personal metrics, I have unchanging scores for realism and preference for each lineup. But I'm assigning points based on percentile so the numbers will fluctuate slightly based on the number of teams left/eliminated.
For example, the most realistic lineup in this round of 16 would get a 10, 2nd most would get a 9.375, 3rd would get a 8.75, etc. But in the next round when we're down to 8 lineups, the 2nd most realistic would get a 8.75, the 3rd would get a 7.5, etc.
So basically, if you have a super low number (like a 2 or a 3), it doesn't mean that I hated your lineup/thought it was entirely implausible! Just that I preferred others based on the schedule runs/realism.
This is very close to what I am doing. I don’t love posting scores because it will be obvious how I’m voting for the rest of the matchups after round 1, but I’ll do it if required. Personally don’t see why a number is important as long as you can explain your vote, especially since you’re functionally just picking one of two options. But I’m also not trying to cause problems. I do have a pair of ties in my rankings and will definitely adjust based on arguments if those matchups come up.
if you explain the balance of realism and quality well enough, you don’t have to put scores.
yeah I'm gonna vote for my own obviously, but I really like theirs
Not saying you should at all, but it would be nice to see someone be really objective and not vote for their own. A couple of, hey their lineup is better than ours would make this really interesting.
yeah I'm gonna vote for my own obviously, but I really like theirs
Not saying you should at all, but it would be nice to see someone be really objective and not vote for their own. A couple of, hey their lineup is better than ours would make this really interesting.
I probably will in later rounds, but I actually really love my own lineup
yeah I'm gonna vote for my own obviously, but I really like theirs
Not saying you should at all, but it would be nice to see someone be really objective and not vote for their own. A couple of, hey their lineup is better than ours would make this really interesting.
there’s a couple I really don’t want to face early on. Later on I’m gonna pull some mental gymnastics.
Not saying you should at all, but it would be nice to see someone be really objective and not vote for their own. A couple of, hey their lineup is better than ours would make this really interesting.
I probably will in later rounds, but I actually really love my own lineup
I like yours too. That's why I singled out that matchup. I haven't figured out my voting process yet. I'll get started on that when I get home.
FIRST ROUND MATCHUPS You must vote for all matchups.
**As a general rule I gave a pass for realism concerns for each teams first headliner picked except for one act so that teams were able to go for someone cool without it hurting them**
sang / deto : Realism 3.8 Quality 6.35 Think this would do well with attendance, but its very hard to see a world where Bonnaroo would book as hard rock/metal as this lineup this lineup has. Very little rap for people under the age of 30, outside of Lizzo. Quality is pretty strong, headliners are great and having Rage is incredible. But I really dont care for a lot of the second line acts: Khalid, Odesza, Porter Robinson, Weezer. Not great.
katyperryofficial / slack Realism 1 Quality 4 The headliners here are a mess. Kanye is the only first headliner that I will take realism points away from, because Live Nation is not going to book Kanye as his first show since he went nuts. Janet Jackson and LCD sounsystem coheadliner isnt going to happen. Tons of acts that are way too high here. Just really not something they would book. There are some solid acts in the undercard and in theory a Janet LCD co-headline would be sick. Schedule is not great.
gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B Realism 8.2 Quality 9.4 The vast majority of the acts on this lineup have played Bonnaroo before and would likely want to come back if asked. The big names that havent played: Madonna, Calvin Harris, Martin Garrix all of these acts would be names that would appeal to the base of bonnaroo (watching this board get so excited for Lady Gaga makes me even more confident that Madonna would kill). For quality, I am obviously biased because if you dont pick artists you like then what are you doing, but some of the highlights: Bon Iver touring on their new album, David Byrne's American Utopia which was my show of 2018, and St. Vincent.
King T / JamesTheRam Realism 2.2 Quality 6.9 (nice) This is probably the most expensive festival in this competition. Some of the undercard acts that really stand out is the Pixies at roughly #7 on their day, New Order #3 on their day, Wiz Khalifa at #5 on his day. With a #2 and #3 as expensive as Ariana and Travis are, needed to have some cheaper acts and I just didnt see that here. Also Loretta Lynn is too old to play probably. This would sell very strongly however. These are good headliners, even though I have seen all three multiple times, and theres some undercard here I like as well.
DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit Realistic 4.6 Quality 7.4 Mostly punting on the Other hurts here, but so does ELO somehow not headlining. I love this combination of headliners, pulling Rihanna for her first non Jay-Z owned festival in the US is great, Megan is so good and capping this with the Dead is great. Wish that Try Blues didnt conflict with Megan.
Todd / Jake Jortles Realistic 5 Quality 5.5 This ended up more realistic than I thought it would good work there. I just really am not the biggest fan of the big name acts you splurged on.
Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder Realistic 4.6 Quality 7.4 This is a tough draw for you here, your lineup is good and shouldnt be ranked so low. It feels more coachella than bonnaroo, but nothing absolutely screams unrealistic besides Grace Jones. Its a very solid group of headliners mixing young and old, that I like a lot, and some cool undercard acts here.
fearandparanoia / money / problem dog Realistic 6.6 Quality 8.3 This is a really cool way to handle a dream lineup for both the olds and youngs of Roo. The Stones would be a bucket list act for a lot of Roos base and Cardi headlining would be a hell of a party. The run of Sturgill -> Stones -> Jamie XX is one of the best of any in this tournament for me.
Chandler Bing / Rummy Realistic 8.2 Quality 7.4 Super well done lineup, and why yall are the #2 seed. Paul, Radiohead, and Billie is a great set of headliners that are realistic as well.
VieuxCareen / cdevaney Realistic 1.4 Quality 7 Just a lot of acts that wouldnt play Bonnaroo at this time, including Drake frankly. I get where you were going for but theres just too much unrealistic stuff here on the whole. This fest also might not sell out with Drake as essentially the whole ticket selling strategy.
Theo / Teddy Flair Realistic 4.2 Quality 8.15 Lot of really big names here I just dont see how they would all fit, and then throwing on top of that some of the other acts like the Chems that are more borderline. With that being said, there are acts I love on every day and Beyonce at Bonnaroo might be the highlight of the festival's history in the popular culture, a great pick.
Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth Realistic 5 Quality 8.6 A big top line and big acts but on the whole I can see why Roo would book most of these individually. The undercard here is a ton of fun.
Capn Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac Realistic 2.4 Quality 7.5 Just too many big names here and nothing for the under 21 crowd besides Tyler. While this wouldnt happen, I do want to live in the universe where I could see a run of Florence -> Gorillaz -> Jamiroquai
Silver Surfer / true vine Realistic 4.2 Quality 4.95 This is probably the most financially responsible festival of the bunch, which I do respect. At the end of the day, I really dont know if this fest would sell even 50k tickets. I lean towards no. Three great headliners here but the undercard is very weak for me, mostly due to the financial restraint though to be fair.
Monie / Fozzie Bear Realistic 5.4 Quality 8.25 I think this festival has a headliner or two too many, but at least you used them really well. Stapleton would kill at Roo and Fleetwood Mac and Jay Z do a great job appealing to all demos. This is one of my favorite set of headliners, getting two see two acts for the first time that I really want to see (Dua and Fleetwood Mac) and getting to see Jay Z one more time before he might call it a day. Undercard is great too, with a ton of acts that appeal more to me: Pet Shop Boys, James Blake, Justice, Normani
Jaz / Fred Realistic 5 Quality 6.5 This is a lineup that would do a lot more for other people than it does for me. Hurting your realism to get Harry Styles, does very little for me. This festival would sell very well which helps the realism score, and I think that it would particularly do very well with the younger age group. Of your four headliners, Im only interested in Arcade Fire, the other three dont do much for me. FKA is great, but shes not a #2 on her day. The XX -> Arcade Fire would be the highlight of this fest to me
yeah I'm gonna vote for my own obviously, but I really like theirs
Not saying you should at all, but it would be nice to see someone be really objective and not vote for their own. A couple of, hey their lineup is better than ours would make this really interesting.
I think this would be tough except on realistic criteria. I have to imagine people drafted artists that they love and booked a schedule that would maximize the amount of sets they would personally want to see. If you're doing this draft and someone drafted a lineup for your own personal tastes better than you did that would be extremely weird IMO
yeah I'm gonna vote for my own obviously, but I really like theirs
Not saying you should at all, but it would be nice to see someone be really objective and not vote for their own. A couple of, hey their lineup is better than ours would make this really interesting.
lol you gave us 5/10 just because we have Styles? ok.
edit: just noticed he only gave himself 8.2 lmao
Yeah I graded pretty harshly, the average realism score was 4.5 so a 5 is above average. Its not just Styles as well, its also FKA at #2 on her day and The XX being there at all when it seems like they are probably done as a group.
My scaling for realism is more along the lines of 1= Roo would never book this lineup 5= Roo maybe would book this 10=Roo would def book this.
I think your lineup has 11 acts that command 300k or more per show. Ari, Kygo, Oysterhead, Pixies, Travis, Robyn, Virtual Self, Paul, Lana, New Order, Wiz. If you had a couple of cheap headliners then maybe you could afford this, but you have three very expensive headliners. This feels like a larger talent budget than Coachella.
lol you gave us 5/10 just because we have Styles? ok.
edit: just noticed he only gave himself 8.2 lmao
Yeah I graded pretty harshly, the average realism score was 4.5 so a 5 is above average. Its not just Styles as well, its also FKA at #2 on her day and The XX being there at all when it seems like they are probably done as a group.
My scaling for realism is more along the lines of 1= Roo would never book this lineup 5= Roo maybe would book this 10=Roo would def book this.
FKA Twigs has a pretty insane agent so she gets pretty massive slots and placements despite her not pulling that big crowds, her billing and scheduling is what she normally would get billed imo. Julie back me up here
I think your lineup has 11 acts that command 300k or more per show. Ari, Kygo, Oysterhead, Pixies, Travis, Robyn, Virtual Self, Paul, Lana, New Order, Wiz. If you had a couple of cheap headliners then maybe you could afford this, but you have three very expensive headliners. This feels like a larger talent budget than Coachella.
not sure where you got these numbers from but Oysterhead, Lana, and Virtual Self (Kygo is probably in the Flume ballpark) played Roo recently or were on 2020. If I booked the 2020 lineup you would’ve said the same about the HLs, VW, Lana, Miley, Oysterhead, Flume, Bassnectar, 1975, RTJ and Glass Animals.
Not sure what you think Coachella’s budget is but not sure how you can say mine is bigger especially since they ate the cost on MCR. It’s not even close.
Yeah I graded pretty harshly, the average realism score was 4.5 so a 5 is above average. Its not just Styles as well, its also FKA at #2 on her day and The XX being there at all when it seems like they are probably done as a group.
My scaling for realism is more along the lines of 1= Roo would never book this lineup 5= Roo maybe would book this 10=Roo would def book this.
FKA Twigs has a pretty insane agent so she gets pretty massive slots and placements despite her not pulling that big crowds, her billing and scheduling is what she normally would get billed imo. Julie back me up here
She's 5th on her day at Coachella. Even at Primavera Sound she didn't play either of the main stages.
Yeah I graded pretty harshly, the average realism score was 4.5 so a 5 is above average. Its not just Styles as well, its also FKA at #2 on her day and The XX being there at all when it seems like they are probably done as a group.
My scaling for realism is more along the lines of 1= Roo would never book this lineup 5= Roo maybe would book this 10=Roo would def book this.
FKA Twigs has a pretty insane agent so she gets pretty massive slots and placements despite her not pulling that big crowds, her billing and scheduling is what she normally would get billed imo. Julie back me up here
right I agree with that assessment, but Bonnaroo would have to decide to do that. I lean towards Roo sooner passing on FKA than billing her #2, especially since she has yet to play the festival
I think your lineup has 11 acts that command 300k or more per show. Ari, Kygo, Oysterhead, Pixies, Travis, Robyn, Virtual Self, Paul, Lana, New Order, Wiz. If you had a couple of cheap headliners then maybe you could afford this, but you have three very expensive headliners. This feels like a larger talent budget than Coachella.
not sure where you got these numbers from but Oysterhead, Lana, and Virtual Self (Kygo is probably in the Flume ballpark) played Roo recently or were on 2020. If I booked the 2020 lineup you would’ve said the same about the HLs, VW, Lana, Miley, Oysterhead, Flume, Bassnectar, 1975, RTJ and Glass Animals.
Not sure what you think Coachella’s budget is but not sure how you can say mine is bigger especially since they ate the cost on MCR. It’s not even close.
I think Ari is significantly more expensive than Frank.
gocatsnu what do you mean by punting on the other?
outside of the two tipper sets and madeon it feels like a lot of stuff the other wouldnt typically book. Maybe I am wrong and I just dont know the earlier acts as well
FKA Twigs has a pretty insane agent so she gets pretty massive slots and placements despite her not pulling that big crowds, her billing and scheduling is what she normally would get billed imo. Julie back me up here
She's 5th on her day at Coachella. Even at Primavera Sound she didn't play either of the main stages.
love getting a 2.2 from a guy who thinks Gilmour and Madonna headlining Roo together is realistic
I mean, people brought up how expensive your acts were pretty early on. I defended it at the time, thinking you would save money on the undercard, but you just kept spending.
Your goals are to book a lineup that would (1) sell enough tickets to keep Bonnaroo alive, (2) improve Bonnaroo's identity (e.g. impress your voters) while (3) accounting for the type of acts the festival booked in earlier and later editions. More specifically, you should have three Bonnaroo sized headliners and subheadliners, late night shows, and genre diversity (jam, EDM, rap, indie, pop, rock, metal, country, comedy, cinema, etc).
Some guidelines about "realism": (1) consider how many tickets would be sold with your lineup, (2) assume you won't be given a budget to book three stadium sized headliners, (3) you are supposed to be booking for Bonnaroo, not a Primavera type festival - keep this in mind while picking your acts, (4) your Thursday lineup should be similar to how Bonnaroo books Thursdays - so it should mostly consist of "rising" acts, (5) The Other mainly books electronic/EDM/rap acts, and your lineup is expected to reflect this. You don't have to follow any of the guidelines here, but if you want to take the risk, it's up to you.
The Seeding
1. sang / bandeto 2. Jaz / Fred 3. Chandler Bingaling / Rummy 4. Fearandparanoia / emoney / problem dog 5. DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit 6. Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth 7. Cap’n Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac 8. King T / JamesTheRam 9. gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B 10. Silver Surfer / truevine 11. Theo / Teddy Flair 12. Todd / Jake Jortles 13. Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder 14. VieuxCareen / cdevaney 15. Fozzie Bear / Monie 16. katyperryofficial / Slack
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Can you put the lineups/clashfinders in the order of the matchups from now on? [/quote] I can try to get time to edit it in the future and remember to do it from now on but I’m about to go to work rn
gocatsnu what do you mean by punting on the other?
outside of the two tipper sets and madeon it feels like a lot of stuff the other wouldnt typically book. Maybe I am wrong and I just dont know the earlier acts as well
IMO Ekali, Clams Casino, EPROM, Boys Noize, Brodinski, Cirez D are all also pretty typical Other stage acts. We added some rappers which could be argued don't fit there, but within the rules it states that The Other is for rap as well which is what we abided by. To make those rap sets fit better we mostly targeted rappers with a distinct electronic element like Rico Nasty, Kenny Beats, Tommy Cash, Yung Lean etc. Some cheap outsider house DJs to open the other like Galcher, Mall Grab, Chaos In The CBD is I guess the biggest stretch, but in my opinion that's the next logical step for Bonnaroo to make in terms of EDM bookings (ie: a few years after fests like Coachella start doing that).
Not trying to get you to give us more points necessarily but using this as a reasoning to defend our Other in general since it was called a Primavera lineup the other day/
outside of the two tipper sets and madeon it feels like a lot of stuff the other wouldnt typically book. Maybe I am wrong and I just dont know the earlier acts as well
IMO Ekali, Clams Casino, EPROM, Boys Noize, Brodinski, Cirez D are all also pretty typical Other stage acts. We added some rappers which could be argued don't fit there, but within the rules it states that The Other is for rap as well which is what we abided by. To make those rap sets fit better we mostly targeted rappers with a distinct electronic element like Rico Nasty, Kenny Beats, Tommy Cash, Yung Lean etc. Some cheap outsider house DJs to open the other like Galcher, Mall Grab, Chaos In The CBD is I guess the biggest stretch, but in my opinion that's the next logical step for Bonnaroo to make in terms of EDM bookings (ie: a few years after fests like Coachella start doing that).
Not trying to get you to give us more points necessarily but using this as a reasoning to defend our Other in general since it was called a Primavera lineup the other day/
I've got you winning this round regardless and I dont want to re-quote my scores but for next round Im gonna boost up your other for the next round
