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I think their headliners are definitely over budget for recent Bonnaroos.
Didn’t you say Kendrick and Ariana were about the same? Gotta think Waters is Macca level since he doesn’t really do festivals and hates outdoor shows. The only difference is Travis and Kacey which is about a 500k difference? You’re not far behind.
deftones are a bit low but Loretta is just kind of hanging out for the Opry. Hosting the Opry isn’t the same as hosting a SJ. She’s doing a couple songs but mostly introducing people. Not sure what you have against the Parcels jam but are those your main points about realism?
You also have Loretta playing her own set. When I saw you had her hosting the Opry, I thought it was a clever way of putting her on the lineup without expecting a full performance. But then I saw the separate set, and that's just not happening. As for the Parcels jam, the guest list doesn't feel disco at all. I'd hear your argument for why those particular artists were picked, I guess, but it kind of looks like a random list of names that were already on your lineup. And I do feel a Macca repeat wouldn't happen. He's played a ton of tests, never repeated at any of them.
For what it's worth, you are in my top half on realism. I just have CatBob at the top in that category. The reasons I listed are what jump out to me, and when I look at the other lineup, nothing really looks obviously implausible.
you’re gonna win so it is what it is but it is pretty lame that this is the realism draft and the team that spends the most of any team by far is getting positive realism points. I think that $ really mattered here and we specifically picked based on $
I meant to put an exclamation point at the end to give it a jokey tone my b
Budget is just one part of realism though. Attendance, appropriate sized HLs and subs, etc are all part
deftones are a bit low but Loretta is just kind of hanging out for the Opry. Hosting the Opry isn’t the same as hosting a SJ. She’s doing a couple songs but mostly introducing people. Not sure what you have against the Parcels jam but are those your main points about realism?
You also have Loretta playing her own set. When I saw you had her hosting the Opry, I thought it was a clever way of putting her on the lineup without expecting a full performance. But then I saw the separate set, and that's just not happening. As for the Parcels jam, the guest list doesn't feel disco at all. I'd hear your argument for why those particular artists were picked, I guess, but it kind of looks like a random list of names that were already on your lineup. And I do feel a Macca repeat wouldn't happen. He's played a ton of tests, never repeated at any of them.
For what it's worth, you are in my top half on realism. I just have CatBob at the top in that category. The reasons I listed are what jump out to me, and when I look at the other lineup, nothing really looks obviously implausible.
I picked artists that I thought had really good voices that could be utilized in a different way from their original music. Big Boi was just a fun addition. But if you think it’s bad, nothin more realistic than bad Superjams.
Roo totally went after McCartney in 2018. Was confirmed by the guy who originally dropped Phish and later Phish x3 Gambino Post Lumineers. He even had his tour routed to it for a bit before adding that Wisconsin and TX date.
Friday Special Request > Jacques Greene > Palms Trax > Metronomy > Flume > Spiritualized > Rihanna > Charli XCX
Mitski > The Zombies > System of a Down > Death Grips
Headliner: DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit (Rihanna) vs. Todd / Jortles (Dolly Parton) Undercard: DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit
Saturday Bad Gyal > DJ Python > Caroline Polachek > Toro y Moi > The Eric Andre Show > My Chemical Romance > Soulwax > Floating Points
Weyes Blood > Joanna Newsome > Frank Ocean > Aphex Twin > The Avalanches
Headliner: Todd / Jortles (Frank Ocean) vs. DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit (My Chemical Romance) Undercard: DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit
Sunday Helado Negro > Galcher Lustwerk > Mall Grab > Connan Mockasin > Dead & Co
Auntie Flo > Jacques Greene > Jenny Hval > Holy Ghost! > Dave Chapelle > Neil Young & Crazy Horse
Headliner: Todd / Jortles (Neil Young & Crazy Horse) vs. DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit (Dead & Co) Undercard: DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit
Other
Realism: Tie These two are the most unrealistic lineups. DE / whereispassionpit’s undercard is just way too heavy on the underground dance music, plus Soulwax AND Floating Points. It looks closer to a Primavera lineup. Todd / Jortles have Aphex Twin lol and a handful of other unrealistic undercards on the Other.
Scheduling: Tie
Jortles / Todd have some questionable placements. Notably DJ Snake on the Other. DE / whereispassionpit have some conflicts for me.
you’re gonna win so it is what it is but it is pretty lame that this is the realism draft and the team that spends the most of any team by far is getting positive realism points. I think that $ really mattered here and we specifically picked based on $
I meant to put an exclamation point at the end to give it a jokey tone my b
Budget is just one part of realism though. Attendance, appropriate sized HLs and subs, etc are all part
Yeah I hope I’m not coming off too much like an asshole. I had broken out my scores between attendance and general realism with 25% on attendance and 75% on general realism, and I gave your team a 9 on attendance. Probably should have been a 10 but I only gave the taylor Swift lineup a 10 on attendance.
Post by MrPricklePants on Aug 31, 2020 19:05:33 GMT -5
This was a bit difficult.
SANG Quality 7 Realism 7
Call me a fanboy but I always love seeing Weezer on festival lineups. On the flip side, I don't like seeing Lizzo on festival lineups. Could be worse though.
katyperry Quality 6 Realism 5
Not a fan of this despite it having some great names. It looks poorly put together and haphazardly planned.
gocatsnu Quality 5 Realism 4
I don't like this combo of headliners nor how the poster looks. A mess.
KING T Quality 7 Realism 8.5
I'm not a fan of the Travis Scott and Ariana Grande combo, should have chosen one or the other but it will definitely sell tickets. Paul McCartney is Paul McCartney but he's a safe choice. The poster is the tits.
DRAGON Quality 7.5 Realism 7.5
Solid. Solid. Solid. Solid. Solid. Dead & Co makes it look like Bonnaroo, but the undercard is a little underwhelming. I couldn't find Passion Pit anywhere.
Todd Quality 7 Realism 5
Neil Young and Dolly Parton shouldn't be main headliners, let alone headlining separate nights on the same lineup. Neil Young could be a headliner but it won't sell tickets. Aphex Twin is dope.
PEPE - Quality 6.5 Realism 7
It's alright, I guess.
fearandparanoia - Quality 4 Realism 5
Cardi B is an eyesore, I don't care if she would sell tickets, but I don't think she would.
Chandler Quality 9 Realism 8.5
Radiohead and Billie Eilish are a great combo of headliners, but I don't understand the Paul Simon choice at all. You could have picked any other legacy headliner and it would've been better. This poster looks fresh.
VIEUX Quality 9.5 Realism 8.5
This is the best one and it's not unrealistic. This one has actual #2 and #3 names, unlike some of the other lineups. I like the combo of headliners and I like how the poster looks. The National and Kero Kero Bonito on the same day is amazing.
Theo Quality 7 Realism 6
It's all a little much.
DELICIOUS MEATBALL Quality 8.5 Realism 7
Taylor Swift is a BIG get and I think it would pay off. Phish makes it look like Bonnaroo. Iron Maiden? Sure, whatever. I'm a fan of this combo.
Capn Jim Quality 8.5 Realism 7
The undercard is a little lacking for me, but I need to see Gorillaz live.
SILVER SURFER Quality 8 Realism 8
I don't like Roger Waters but he is a strong headliner. The poster is pleasing to my eyes.
Monie Quality 3 Realism 4
Not feeling the headliners nor the undercard. Never really liked Jay-Z. Fleetwood Mac is missing Lindsey Buckingham, as far as I know. Dua Lipa isn't a headliner... yet.
JAZ Quality 8.5 Realism 9
It doesn't have some WOW names for me but there is not a single weak thing about this lineup.
lol oh was I not clear that it was their best work with that 'fine'
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Steely Dan. The sound is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the riffs will go over a typical listeners head. There's also Donald’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these albums, to realise that they're not just groovy- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Steely Dan truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Donald’s existential catchphrase "Drink your big black cow," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Walter Becker’s genius unfolds itself in their speakers. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Steely Dan tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
Going to do the rankings before looking at the bracket, let's see how this works out.
1. sang / bandeto
Realism 6.5/10: Don't really see anything too outrageous here, I would say it probably needs more cheese edm, and I'm not sure bjork would play bonnaroo.
Quality 8/10: Great lineup, I would buy tickets to this in a heartbeat, and I would be able to get my more basic friends to buy a ticket as well. I think this would be very well attended bonnaroo.
Score: 7.25
2. Jaz / Fred
Realism 6.5/10: Going to give this one a 6.5 as well. Again there's no outright "unrealistic" act on here, but the feel of this lineup seems a little off from what bonnaroo usually goes for (but not so far off that I can actually put my finger on it lol)
Quality 4/10: While I do think this lineup is well constructed and is not a bad one, it also isn't really my cup of tea. FKA twigs is pretty meh to me (i know hot take), and Gaga doesn't really do much either though I'm sure she puts on a great show.
Score: 5.75
3. Chandler Bingaling / Rummy
Realism 9/10: I think bing and rummy did a great job capturing the bonnaroo feel, while still maintaining a quality lineup. I really like the choices of edm, and I feel like the billing here is great. Seems to be very on budget.
Quality 9/10: I really like this lineup. Wine drunk at Billie? Hell yeah. Smoking a j at paul simon? Hell yeah. Inhaling gasoline at radiohead? Do you even have to ask? Would buy tickets to this in a heartbeat.
Score: 9
4. Fearandparanoia / emoney / problem dog
Realism 3/10: I don't think this really looks like a bonnaroo lineup (tho I love it), I don't see anyway both the stones and cure headline. There also is not enough trash on this lineup, it's too good!
Quality 9.1/10: I would really, really love to go to this festival, the mix of artists here is so weird and I completely love it. I've never seen the cure or the stones so that is huge, also disclosure.
Score: 6.05
5. DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit
Realism 3.1/10: This lineup is very inforoo, but not very bonnaroo. Outside of the headliners I don't think I would guess it was a bonnaroo lineup outside of the poster. Because I don't want to rewrite the previous sentance, I'll say the edm is realistic.
Quality 7.4/10: Yeah I'd go to this festival quicker than you can say blueberry pie. There's just too much to like, Charli, ELO, Soulwax, etc are all fantastic acts that are still on my bucketlist. Hell I'd even enjoy the MCR throwback.
Score: 5.25
6. Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth
Realism 1/10: This just isn't a bonnaroo lineup lol. 2manydjs wouldn't play, Hot chip is massively underbilled, the edm is too good, Taylor Swift isn't playing, and Arctic monkeys are a headliner imo.
Quality 6/10: Outside of t swift, I would enjoy this lineup hella. You probably wouldn't even need drugs, just sneak a couple cases of natty into centeroo (I know a guy), and go ham.
Score: 3.5
7. Cap’n Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac
Realism 8/10: Outside of a couple acts I think this lineup is pretty realistic. Maybe the headliners are not the most realistic because I figure roo would want to book a headliner for the younger crowd, but at this point I'm being really picky.
Quality 7/10: Great lineup, I think this is the definition of solid. The acts are spread out well, and I'd have a ball.
Score: 7.5
8. King T / JamesTheRam
Realism 2/10: I feel like this would be a lot more realistic if the booking fee for all these artists were $1. This lineup is way too massive imo and surprised that it isn't a more widespread critique. The edm here is also lacking in terms of realism.
Quality 7.5/10: Great lineup with a bunch of artists I'd have a ball at. I've already seen macca, but fuck it I'd see him again. Probably with my friends ryan and chase.
Score: 4.75
9. gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B
Realism 10/10: Perfect, whoever drafted this is genius.
Quality 10/10: It feels like a lineup I would dream of. Whoever crafted this masterpiece must be reading my mind.
Score: 10
10. Silver Surfer / truevine
Realism 5.9/10: Too many niche acts to be super realistic, but there is a decent spread here and I really can't be to critical.
Quality 6.9/10: Nice, exactly like this lineup. There's a lot here that I like including MBV, young thug, and kacey. Nothing that really amazes me though.
Score: 6.4
11. Theo / Teddy Flair
Realism 8/10: Nothing really outrageous here except the chem bros which is fine to have one act like that. I think the edm and hip hop are very close to what roo would book.
Quality 6/10: Again, nothing on this lineup really wows me, but I would have a fun time here. I mean I went to roo 2016 so can't see myself having a bad time at a festival lol.
Score: 7
12. Todd / Jake Jortles
Realism 9/10: Very realistic lineup here with great genre diversity. I don't see any act as too big or too unrealistic here. Definitely feels like roo. Some of the edm is underbilled.
Quality 7.2/10: This is a lineup I'd bring some lemonade too because I'd be so damn thirsty the whole time. Man I can taste it now, watching ween while sippin on some lemon goodness.
Score: 8.1
13. Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder
Realism 6/10: I think this feels very bonnaroo, but is a tad overbudget so the final score here will be a 6. I appreciate the fact that there is a lot here for "the kids". I can already see the massive amount of tik toks being made at this festival.
Quality 8.5/10: LORDE IS A QUEEN.
Score: 7.25
14. VieuxCareen / cdevaney
Realism 2/10: The opposite of the last lineup. There is not really much for the kids here and as a result I do not know if it would sell that well. Not enough cheese edm either.
Quality 5/10: There isn't too much here that wows me besides MA. This lineup is generic enough to give it a pass, but also not generic in the right ways to call it bonnaroo.
Score: 3.5
15. Fozzie Bear / Monie
Realism 8.5/10: There's a lot here that makes me think bonnaroo. They pretty much nailed the roo like artists in most of the genres represented.
Quality 5.5/10: While this is pretty realistic, there's not much here for me. Dua would be a fun headlining show but there's no crazy gets, or acts that I could eat grass at.
Score: 7
16. katyperryofficial / Slack
Realism 6/10: I don't think this is too far off from being realistic, but I do think it's really top heavy. Also kanye isn't headlining, but I'll give that a pass. The under card feels very roo, and dare I say fun.
Quality 10/10: I think I love this lineup for the same reasons everyone else hates it. What's going on here? WHO CARES!!!!!!!! This is good ole fun from top to bottom and I love it for what it is. Shame that it won't get the look it deserves.
Unless people have budgetary concerns or ticket selling concerns, there shouldn’t be a reason to say something isn’t realistic because it’s “too good”. If someone books an Inforoo lineup that won’t sell, that’s fine. But being too good shouldn’t affect realism. Realism and quality are two separate scores anyway.
Unless people have budgetary concerns or ticket selling concerns, there shouldn’t be a reason to say something isn’t realistic because it’s “too good”. If someone books an Inforoo lineup that won’t sell, that’s fine. But being too good shouldn’t affect realism. Realism and quality are two separate scores anyway.
King T only said that because it directly applies to his lineup lol
Jortles / Todd have some questionable placements. Notably DJ Snake on the Other.
This is such a tiny thing to care about, but The Other is pretty big. It basically has the same size crowd as the Which Stage. Kaskade played The Other in 2018.
Oh yeah that reminds me that Florence headlined ACL a few months after subbing Roo.
And Lollapalooza. And technically Glastonbury because Foo Fighters dropped
i think phoenix is a prime example of where my heads at. coachella 2010 > 2013 they went from 4th on day to HL. acl 2009 > 13 > 18 they go lower lines > 7th overall > 4th on their day (which is probably where theyd be if they had played coachella in the last couple of years)
from 13 > 18 they went from headlining coachella to being 3rd-4th on their day. 5 years.
since florence sub'd/headlined all those things in 2015, she hasnt gotten anymore popular, she released music that was not as well received, and headlined festivals that did poorly.
she's great, and those songs i like are great, and id love to see them. but i don't see whats so unrealistic. or at least where this defined line between her being 5th overall, on the 2nd line, 2nd on her day, subbing for the headliner, is so much more unrealistic than her being 4th overall, on the 2nd line, subbing for the headliner.
*especially when we don't have a super expensive top line
