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"but easily the BIGGEST sin in this game is claude von stroke being your top electronic dance act at 24th overall. that's just disqualifying imo"
This is just flat out wrong. Gorillaz, Kraftwerk and Jamiroquai are electronic dance music.
Fred and Jazs top electronic music are two acts that have existed for 15+ years and played in 17 and 18.
No I don't have Kygo or Porter, but it's not like the kids are going in waves to Kaskade.
They also have 5 headliners including the hands down biggest #4, and an xx that is in the same boat as Florence if you're going to say "why would she come back and sub". Rarity of play, Jamie's rising profile, put them at the least in the same ballpark.
lmao you don’t have a Bonnaroo lineup at all. Let’s leave it at that
King T and JTR barely edge out Sangdeto for me. Both very very realistic but KT and JTR are ever so slightly more current.
Neither Dragon Pit nor E Money and co have lineups that I think are entirely realistic but I would rather go to Dragon Pit's so they get my vote
BingRummy over frazzledrip. I think Frazzledrip booked way too big of an uppercard with arguably 4 headliners on Friday alone. I'm really shocked this one passed the realism sniff test tbh.
Jaz/Fred over Mac Dog. Similar feelings as Frazzledrip with Mac Dog's lineup. Way too many borderline headliners and critically acclaimed uppercard artists. Roo would never book Kraftwerk, Patti Smith, Thom Yorke, Jamiriquai, and Explosions in the Sky when Gorillaz, Pearl Jam, and Tool are headlining.
i don’t think any of their 2-4 are HLs at Roo but they’re all at least #2, don’t think Rosalia would take anything less. That’s a good point tbh
All three of your headliners headlined Coachella. All of your #2s are Coachella acts. Your lineup severely lacks jam. You have one of the biggest Coachella crowds ever, or so I've heard, as your nine.
It's even afaict on realism, and ours is just better quality.
King T and JTR barely edge out Sangdeto for me. Both very very realistic but KT and JTR are ever so slightly more current.
Neither Dragon Pit nor E Money and co have lineups that I think are entirely realistic but I would rather go to Dragon Pit's so they get my vote
BingRummy over frazzledrip. I think Frazzledrip booked way too big of an uppercard with arguably 4 headliners on Friday alone. I'm really shocked this one passed the realism sniff test tbh.
Jaz/Fred over Mac Dog. Similar feelings as Frazzledrip with Mac Dog's lineup. Way too many borderline headliners and critically acclaimed uppercard artists. Roo would never book Kraftwerk, Patti Smith, Thom Yorke, Jamiriquai, and Explosions in the Sky when Gorillaz, Pearl Jam, and Tool are headlining.
i don’t think any of their 2-4 are HLs at Roo but they’re all at least #2, don’t think Rosalia would take anything less. That’s a good point tbh
The mental gymnastics of putting The xx on the same level as Florence + The Machine because of Jamie's solo rise.
they subbed bonnaroo (as did florence) they headlined a day at acl (as did florence) they subbed Coachella (as did florence)
if you believe Florence is a headliner because of those things, than so is the xx.
adding to which (again, all things ive already said but), the small festivals she headlined did not sell well, the xx are essentially inactive, making them rarer, the music florence put out since her last time at those big fests did not do well, whereas the xx have had a rise in profile due to jamie.
The mental gymnastics of putting The xx on the same level as Florence + The Machine because of Jamie's solo rise.
I think xx #2 is a bump but only one more from their 2017 spot on the day by day and they’ll probably have an album before next year, think they’re working on one. Not ridiculous but not great that AF is headlining that day. Would’ve liked to seen Styles and XX switched.
The mental gymnastics of putting The xx on the same level as Florence + The Machine because of Jamie's solo rise.
they subbed bonnaroo (as did florence) they headlined a day at acl (as did florence) they subbed Coachella (as did florence)
Florence hasn't subbed a festival in forever, The xx are on the verge of headlining major festivals with a new album - and not like headlining a day at ACL/Lolla with two mainstages but legit. Headlining a day at ACL.. as what? #7? And that while Florence was #3 when she headlined ACL.
The mental gymnastics of putting The xx on the same level as Florence + The Machine because of Jamie's solo rise.
I think xx #2 is a bump but only one more from their 2017 spot on the day by day and they’ll probably have an album before next year, think they’re working on one. Not ridiculous but not great that AF is headlining that day. Would’ve liked to seen Styles and XX switched.
even if you use the dbd that still puts the #2 on that day (Major Lazer) at the #3 on their day on JazFreds lineup.
their lineup is expensive. it's got 5 headliners and two huge recent EDM acts that are stale.
I think xx #2 is a bump but only one more from their 2017 spot on the day by day and they’ll probably have an album before next year, think they’re working on one. Not ridiculous but not great that AF is headlining that day. Would’ve liked to seen Styles and XX switched.
even if you use the dbd that still puts the #2 on that day (Major Lazer) at the #3 on their day on JazFreds lineup.
their lineup is expensive. it's got 5 headliners and two huge recent EDM acts that are stale.
are you saying xx are a HL? I think they HL maybe Gov Ball and smaller stuff but not Bonnaroo for sure. Tyler is much more likely to HL.
they subbed bonnaroo (as did florence) they headlined a day at acl (as did florence) they subbed Coachella (as did florence)
Florence hasn't subbed a festival in forever, The xx are on the verge of headlining major festivals with a new album - and not like headlining a day at ACL/Lolla with two mainstages but legit. Headlining a day at ACL.. as what? #7? And that while Florence was #3 when she headlined ACL.
this is such a bad way to look at things. peoples profiles dip all the time. people aren't locked into their spots forever and always. Phoenix is a great example.
you having Chance at #2 is a perfect example of that. he was #2 on the lolla poster #3 ACL 2017, #4 Roo 2017, and you have him #4 in 2020?
Florence hasn't subbed a festival in forever, The xx are on the verge of headlining major festivals with a new album - and not like headlining a day at ACL/Lolla with two mainstages but legit. Headlining a day at ACL.. as what? #7? And that while Florence was #3 when she headlined ACL.
this is such a bad way to look at things. peoples profiles dip all the time. people aren't locked into their spots forever and always. Phoenix is a great example.
you having Chance at #2 is a perfect example of that. he was #2 on the ACL poster #3 ACL 2017, #4 Roo 2017, and you have him #4 in 2020?
Can you give an example of her status having dipped on a festival line up?
lol again i so dont care. major lazer, kaskade, louis the child are all shitty, the first two's biggest fans are probably all 30 (im 30, ive seen major lazer 5 times. diplo once as well. ive seen kaskade)
the goal of this draft wasn't sell the MOST tickets, it wasn't even SELL OUT, or sell the MOST EVER at roo. it was 70k. it wasn't 70k with 30k being 16 year olds, or 80k with a 50-50 split on zoomers.
our top 4 rake in tickets. the rest of the lineup is super quality and has plenty of crossover for fans of those acts.
we checked every box for genre that T posted in the rules, we have appropriately sized HL's and Subs, we have a much more inventive super jam, we have much more full lineup cohesion, and made efforst to IMPROVE the festival (in the rules) without having a half tread 17-18 bonnaroo with Gaga and Styles slapped on top.
this is such a bad way to look at things. peoples profiles dip all the time. people aren't locked into their spots forever and always. Phoenix is a great example.
you having Chance at #2 is a perfect example of that. he was #2 on the ACL poster #3 ACL 2017, #4 Roo 2017, and you have him #4 in 2020?
Can you give an example of her status having dipped on a festival line up?
Post by Whereispassionpit on Sept 6, 2020 17:12:00 GMT -5
I know it’s annoying to go through a bunch of acts you don’t know, but I really think our Thursday is way more realistic than our opponents, by the stated rules of the game, and I hope people will take a little time to look at that.
Our Thursday has Folk/Rap/Country/rock/pop/comedy basically every genre that you would expect from Bonnaroo, well balanced and realistic to the sound Bonnaroo goes for.
It also sucks that we’re getting no points for actually trying to book some comedy acts like the rules mentioned, because almost every Bonnaroo has had comedy. And I think we killed it on that front. Zac Fox (w/ Kenny Beats) on Thursday is extremely relevant and internet savvy, Eric Andre Show Live is PERFECT for bonnaroo, Tim Heidecker is very Bonnaroo and has a folk rock album coming out, and Flight Of The Conchords is maybe one of the best musical comedy acts ever, who are actually still touring (released a live album last year). And all those acts work without needing a comedy tent.
I know it’s annoying to go through a bunch of acts you don’t know, but I really think our Thursday is way more realistic than our opponents, by the stated rules of the game, and I hope people will take a little time to look at that.
Our Thursday has Folk/Rap/Country/rock/pop/comedy basically every genre that you would expect from Bonnaroo, well balanced and realistic to the sound Bonnaroo goes for.
It also sucks that we’re getting no points for actually trying to book some comedy acts like the rules mentioned, because almost every Bonnaroo has had comedy. And I think we killed it on that front. Zac Fox (w/ Kenny Beats) on Thursday is extremely relevant and internet savvy, Eric Andre Show Live is PERFECT for bonnaroo, Tim Heidecker is very Bonnaroo and has a folk rock album coming out, and Flight Of The Conchords is maybe one of the best musical comedy acts ever, who are actually still touring (released a live album last year). And all those acts work without needing a comedy tent.
I didn’t mention it but yeah another reason you guys have my fave is because it’s very creative throughout. Not dying off after a certain line like most recent Roo’s.
King T and JTR barely edge out Sangdeto for me. Both very very realistic but KT and JTR are ever so slightly more current.
Neither Dragon Pit nor E Money and co have lineups that I think are entirely realistic but I would rather go to Dragon Pit's so they get my vote
BingRummy over frazzledrip. I think Frazzledrip booked way too big of an uppercard with arguably 4 headliners on Friday alone. I'm really shocked this one passed the realism sniff test tbh.
Jaz/Fred over Mac Dog. Similar feelings as Frazzledrip with Mac Dog's lineup. Way too many borderline headliners and critically acclaimed uppercard artists. Roo would never book Kraftwerk, Patti Smith, Thom Yorke, Jamiriquai, and Explosions in the Sky when Gorillaz, Pearl Jam, and Tool are headlining.
i don’t think any of their 2-4 are HLs at Roo but they’re all at least #2, don’t think Rosalia would take anything less. That’s a good point tbh
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Can you show me any US fest where Rosalia was second on her day? She played ACL last year and was like 23rd overall
i don’t think any of their 2-4 are HLs at Roo but they’re all at least #2, don’t think Rosalia would take anything less. That’s a good point tbh
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Can you show me any US fest where Rosalia was second on her day? She played ACL last year and was like 23rd overall
I don’t think she has played much in the US since she got bigger and I think she could fill an arena in certain markets. It’s one of those takes based on my perception on where she is so I’m not letting it affect my scoring. Both Missy and AM 2/3 on their day is pushing it tho imo
"However, despite [Gaga's] reputation for being popular among tweens and teens, the largest percentage of her fans (28%) are between the ages of 35-44."
Since that article came out she's done an album with Tony Bennett and remade a Barbara Streisand movie.
Can you show me any US fest where Rosalia was second on her day? She played ACL last year and was like 23rd overall
I don’t think she has played much in the US since she got bigger and I think she could fill an arena in certain markets. It’s one of those takes based on my perception on where she is so I’m not letting it affect my scoring. Both Missy and AM 2/3 on their day is pushing it tho imo
I mean you hate our lineup regardless so it is what it is. But she was booked on a big 4 lineup less than a year ago and was 23rd. So there’s factual basis for our position at least.
As for AM, they’re a top 6 band, not a top 3. Missy was 3rd overall at Gov Ball but that’s a third tier fest that draws like 40k.
Florence is bigger than The xx. Florence had an arena tour, while The xx were playing ballrooms and amphitheaters
her last tour was mostly amphitheatres.
harry also is playing bigger venues than Tyler so whatever the gap between those two is is much greater than the gap between Florence and Tyler and Florence and the xx
