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apparent Jaar said he wouldn’t play the US until Trump was out
And he doesn't have any representation. He's only doing shows / projects with his personal friends. Zero chance he plays Live Nation presents Bonnaroo.
I’m not trying to attack you or question you btw, I’m sure you’re right, just meant you saying an act is unrealistic is more impactful for the general thoughts of the game.
apparent Jaar said he wouldn’t play the US until Trump was out
And he doesn't have any representation. He's only doing shows / projects with his personal friends. Zero chance he plays Live Nation presents Bonnaroo.
Bon Iver in 2016: "On the last Bon Iver tour he compiled a dossier of all the things he didn’t want to do again. He reels some of them off: “Playing a lot of shows, realising that playing shows for Live Nation is just bullshit and fuck that. I grew up loving bands like the Indigo Girls, and they stood for something, doing benefit shows and talking about shit and changing culture or changing people’s mindsets and raising awareness." link
When I went to Bonnaroo, the Kalliope stage would be packed all day and they wouldn't even announce who was DJ'ing. People there just want lasers and beats while they do drugs, improving the smaller acts that play The Other is a no-brainer and a half.
this is pretty much my approach to the electronic. Someone who just is there to eat Molly and have a good time would absolutely be into our lineup of bass (12th, Lucii, BTSM), our burners (Mickey, Lauren), stuff like TEED, Dijon, Lunoe, WAJATTA, infected Mushroom. Wind down to the guy from Fallon playing obscure disco.
Sangdeto schedule - Thursday - Brass Against > Opry > The Murder Capital > Algiers > Fontaines D.C. Friday - Nilufer Yanya > Sudan Archives > De La Soul > Nathaniel Rateliff > 2 Chainz > Sylvan Esso > Jungle > Post Animal > RATM > RTJ > Superjam Saturday - Blu & Exile > Promartyr > Khruangbin > Damien Rice > Bjork > Oh Sees > Lizzo Sunday - The Roots > Little Dragon > Yaeji > Metallica
Absolutely love this Thursday and it doesn't even feel oversized
Friday is solid but there isn't anything that really grabs me until Sylvan Esso, however the day is amazing after that
Really nice looking day for me up until LN, which doesn't really appeal to me. Also the Weezer/Oh Sees/Freddie Gibbs conflict feels unnecessary, Oh Sees would be absolutely perfect LN
The first 2 acts I'm interested in are conflicting which is kind of annoying, and just feels kind of empty for my taste compared to the other days. Khalid > Metallica is a roo thing to do but I think that's too much of a vibe change for it to really work, not even factoring in that I can't stand Khalid.
Quality score: 7
KPO/Slack schedule - Thursday - The ladies of LCD Soundsystem > The Hotelier Friday - Preservation Hall Jazz Band > Bladee > Tommy Genesis > Wilco > Janet Jackson > 100 gecs > LCD Soundsystem > Daphni Saturday - PUP > New Politics > Washed Out > Clairo > DaBaby > Flaming Lips > Kanye > Dan Deacon > Superjam Sunday - RBCF > Amine > Andrew Bird > Miley Cyrus > Elton John
Thursday doesn't do much for my taste
Very good Friday. The run from Wilco > LCD is awesome. If only every day was this good
I have barely been paying attention but I'm just very confused by the scheduling on Saturday. What is Clairo and Dababy going to be doing on stage for 90 minutes, while the Flaming Lips only have 75? I'm a big enough fan of Clairo not to care for her but I don't want to see 90 minutes of Dababy. That's a lot of Dababy. I don't like his conflicts either. Dan Deacon and Rezz as the only LN options directly after Kanye is odd, then 4 acts after them. Just a bizarre day overall, though with a couple acts I'd love to see.
More strange scheduling, though less odd than Saturday's schedule. Amine and Andrew Bird are both great Sunday acts, and Miley into Elton works pretty well. However everything not on the What doesn't appeal to me at all.
Quality Score: 6
Sangdeto realism: I don't think this reaches 70k tickets. Rage and Metallica are both good acts but appeal to decently similar crowds and I don't think there's enough on this to appeal to people just coming for Lizzo, other than Khalid who has no one on his day for his fans. All in all the billing looks pretty good, though Sunday feels weak looking past the first few names. There's also no names on this that feel completely unrealistic to me, even Bjork, though bringing Odesza back so soon isn't ideal.
Realism score: 6
KPO/Slack realism:
I don't think this sells 70k tickets. Headliners don't feel realistic, I don't think Kanye should be booked for any festival in the foreseeable future, and the headliners feel too expensive, thought the rest of the lineup feels small, kinda balancing it out. Much better than Sangdeto on realistic electronic, but it feels like it's missing a lot of hip hop. The billing is all over the place too, and each day really falls off in the second line.
Catbob schedule - Thursday - Drugdealer > Opry > Faye Webster > Tank and the Bangas > Maxo Kream Friday - Alvvays > Snail Mail > Don Toliver > Three 6 Mafia > CHIC > Earl Sweatshirt > St. Vincent > Bon Iver > Madonna > Kaytranada Saturday - Porches > Alex Cameron > Dirty Projectors > Little Simz > Phoenix > UMO > Anderon .Paak > Grimes > The Weeknd Sunday - Yola > Trombone Shorty > Iron and Wine > Sharon Van Etten > Passion Pit > Courtney Barnett > David Byrne > Lauryn Hill > David Gilmour
Thursday has lots of solid names, especially like seeing Maxo Kream here
Friday is a 10/10 taste wise. Bon Iver is one of my absolute favorites, Kaytranada LN is amazing, and fucking Madonna. Lots of nice surprises around these names too, especially Earl.
Saturday is another really good day, though it isn't a 10/10 day. Little Simz, UMO, and Paak are all awesome names.
Rounds out the fest very nicely. Trombone Shorty, SVE, Courtney Barnett, David Byrne, and David fucking Gilmour. Killer.
Quality score: 9
King T/JTR schedule - Thursday - Opry > Loyle Carner > Sleaford Mods Friday - We Were Promised Jetpacks > Parcels > serpentwithfeet > Mount Kimbie > Pixies > Ariana Grande > Oysterhead > Lettuce Saturday - US Girls > King Krule > Ariel Pink > DCFC > The Internet > Travis Scott > Robyn > Hannah Diamond > Animal Collective Sunday - Free Nationals > Pinegrove > Michael Kiwanuka > Lianne La Havas > Bright Eyes > New Order > Paul McCartney
Loyle Carner and Sleaford Mods are both great Thursday names, though I can't say I've heard of anyone else on this day.
Friday is pretty well filled out, with a couple gaps with acts I don't care that much about. Stan WWPJ
I wanted Animal Collective . Schedule fills out very nicely for the rest of the day too, with acts I either don't mind at all or actively love.
Fuck yes to Michael Kiwanuka and Lianne La Havas, and of course New Order and Paul ending the fest is fantastic. Bright Eyes vs. Lana though, why
Quality score: 7
Catbob realism: This thing hits 70k tickets. I count 5 acts that feel easily too big for Thursday. Overall this lineup just feels too pricey, but I still think the headliner combo with that undercard appeals to enough people to sell a lot of tickets. There is a lot of alt/indie rock, and while I'm personally a fan of a lot of it, it feels overloaded in this area. Also Gilmour and Madonna on the same lineup looks strange for Bonnaroo. Sunday feels weaker size wise compared to the other days, but it's not that bad of a difference. The only nonrealistic individual names are Gilmour/Madonna, and maybe Lauryn Hill or Blondie.
Realism score: 7
King T/JTR realism: This does sell 70k tickets. The interest in these headliners are enough to sell out alone, though as has been said many times, just seems like far too much money for roo to spend on just headliners, not to mention a bunch of expensive looking subs and undercard acts. There's a few decent bumps that balance it slightly, but not enough to combat the amount that would be spent to make this happen.
Scoring method - in order to provide a quantitative score that will still vary from bracket to bracket, what I'm really measuring is the degree to which one team is better than another in a given category, with 5 being the even point. For example, if I think they're evenly matched, both teams are getting 5s. If one is slightly better than the other, one will get a 6, the other a 4 (one team is +2 better). A really strong lineup against a weaker one would get scores of 8 and 2, respectively (the stronger lineup is +6 better). I'm probably not explaining this well, but it's what I'm going with. Just keep this in mind because a score of 3 for quality doesn't mean that I think your lineup is a 3. It just means I think the other lineup is substantially stronger than yours in that category.
Sang/Deto vs KPO/Slack
KPO and Slack lose some realism points for having Kanye West and Elton John on the same lineup again. Looks way too much like 2014. I also don't think they would have two legacy acts in Janet and Elton. I will say that their undercard feels Roo-ey though and there is good genre diversity.
Sang and Deto have the Bonnaroo vibe down in terms of me looking at this and saying "Yup, that's a Roo lineup". I think Rage and Metallica are a little too samey genre-wise, and that in the 2021 festival market Bjork is more likely to be a HL at a smaller festival than a sub at Roo, but those are my only real gripes with the realism aspect for them.
For realism, I give Sang/Deto a 7 and KPO/Slack a 3.
As far as quality goes, I have to give that to Sang/Deto as well. They strike a good balance of filler acts and standouts. I really like KPO/Slack's top line on Saturday, but it doesn't feel to me like they're taking Bonnaroo's core identity and strengthening it.
For quality, I give Sang/Deto a 7 and KPO/Slack a 3.
Sang/Deto - 14 KPO/Slack - 6
Gocats/Danbob vs King T/JTR
For Gocats/Dan's lineup, I'm not really thinking that Bonnaroo would do David Gilmour and Madonna in separate years, let alone on the same bill. Oh wow with Calvin Harris as well, yeah this is a pretty unrealistic lineup. Which is a shame because I think a lot of the undercard fits Roo, but Gilmour/Maddona/The Weeknd/Calvin Harris is just too unrealistic to be offset imo. Oh and Thursday is way loaded.
As for Kint T/JTR - headliners are about right to me, though I'm not sure they bring McCartney back. Sunday is a little top-heavy and unfortunately I think Fatboy Slim is one of those acts that would never play Roo, but otherwise this feels like a very Roo lineup.
For realism, I give Gocats/Dan a 2 and King T/JTR an 8.
Gocats/Danbob have some quality picks for sure. I really like Bon Iver, Bob Weir, and Anderson Paak on here, but I still feel like it's missing some standout high-mid-tier acts. For King T/JTR, Bright Eyes is one of my favorite picks and one that I think is super Bonnaroo, and overall their lineup feels more current to me than Gocats/Dan.
For quality, I give Gocats/Dan a 3 and King T/JTR an 7.
Gocats/Dan - 5 King T/JTR - 15.
DE/WIPP vs Todd/Jortles
Neither of these lineups are very realistic to me, just in different ways. There's no universe in which Frank Ocean and Aphex Twin play on the same day at Bonnaroo, and I don't see Dolly headlining ever. Frank/Neil really is one of my favorite combos in this draft but you gotta water that shit down in the next couple lines, not draft Aphex Twin and SOAD. The Todd/Jortles lineup is just way too strong and peppered with rare acts.
While DE/WIPP don't have "too big" realism to worry about, this doesn't feel to me like something Bonnaroo would book. MCR, ELO, and Bad Bunny sure is an eclectic mix, and Pharrell wouldn't have the guestlist he'd have at Coach, so I don't know how much of a draw he'd be at #2 on his day. And Rihanna/MCR/Dead&Co...idk MCR just feels too out of place to me.
For realism, I'm giving Todd/Jortles a 2.5 and DE/WIPP a 7.5.
When it comes to quality, I think Todd/Jortles have an advantage that's largely due to the caliber of artists they drafted. However, I think they come closer to nailing Bonnaroo's brand and eclecticism than DE/WIPP - DE/WIPP's is a little too edgy overall for Roo's audience. But they did draft good acts...hmm. There's a bit to adjust for with both teams, but in the end I'm giving a slight nod to Todd/Jortles for booking a more Roo lineup.
For quality, I'm giving Todd/Jortles a 6 and DE/WIPP a 4.
Todd/Jortles - 8.5 DE/WIPP - 11.5
Pepe/Nathan vs FapEmPd
Starting off just looking a Pepe/Nathan's headliners, I think they're pretty realistic though I'd demote Beck to the second line where he belongs. But then I get to the next lines of each day and just...way too top-heavy, and rare to boot. Grace Jones, Erykah Badu, Air, NERD, Gesa...all on a Roo lineup? I wish, but it's only slightly more realistic than Frank/Aphex. Bonnaroo's just not that cool.
FepEmPd have another one of my favorite picks in the draft with the Rolling Stones - I think in other contexts the Stones don't have as much value in these drafts but for this particular draft I think they're perfect. Legacy, haven't played, still a solid show, iconic/legendary...just a real solid Roo booking. But the bump for Cardi B feels premature, and I'm unsure of the draw The Cure would have at Roo - they don't really feel like a Roo band to me. The rest of the lineup is pretty on par though.
For realism, I'm giving Pepe/Nathan a 3 and FapEmPd an 7.
These sort of matchups are kinda hard to score on quality because I think Pepe/Nathan's lineup is objectively better, but they stray away from Bonnaroo's core too much, which misses the mark of this draft. Halsey is always an eyesore but I think FapEmPd otherwise did a good job of building a solid lineup of varying genres, though it doesn't feel particularly fresh or have many standouts.
Even after adjusting for their top-heaviness, Pepe/Nathan still get the points for this one. I just need a little more excitement from FapEmPd's lineup.
For quality, I'm giving Pepe/Nathan a 6 and FapEmPd a 4.
Pepe/Nathan - 9 Fap/Em/Pd - 11
I have work in the morning so I'm stopping here. Will do the other four matchups some other time.
Headliner: Sang/Bandeto (Rage Against The Machine) vs KPO / Slack (Janet Jackson) Undercard: Sang / Bandeto
Saturday Robert Glasper > Khruangbin > Bjork > Thee Oh Sees > DJ Seinfeld > Chromatics
Washed Out > Terrace Martin > The Flaming Lips > Kanye West > Dan Deacon > Peggy Gou
Headliner: KPO / Slack (Kanye West) vs. Sang / Bandeto (Lizzo) Undercard: Sang / Bandeto
Sunday DJ Tennis > Kelly Lee Owens > Little Dragon > Yaeji > Metallica
Neon Indian > Billy Idol > Elton John
Headliner: Sang / Bandeto (Metallica) vs. KPO / Slack (Elton John) Undercard: Sang / Bandeto
Other:
Realism: KPO / Slack
Although Sang / Bandeto have one of my personal favorite lineups, there is a lot that I find unrealistic for Bonnaroo, specifically the electronic music (DJ Tennis, Kelly Lee Owens, Fatima Yamaha, Mama Snake). I also have a problem with Bjork as a Bonnaroo 2021 booking. She is very expensive and does not draw the Bonnaroo crowd enough to justify the booking fee. She is more of a Primavera, FYF, III Points booking in my opinion.
Scheduling: Sang / Bandeto KPO / Slack have serious scheduling issues. Peggy Gou and Daphni on The Which?
Post by problem dog on Aug 31, 2020 23:18:53 GMT -5
Bing/Rummy Great lineup, the seed is justified. Your first clashfinder had my favorite headliner>LN run. Still think the late nights have good diversity. Paul Simon is a great Sunday headliner, perfect legacy act who's never played before. Some realism nitpicks mostly relating to genre mix that might be addressed later, but I'd go to this and think it would sell quickly.
Last Place I agree with whoever said this looks more realistic than it did after the first ~10 rounds, and it's a top 3 lineup for me for quality. But come on. Black Moth Super Rainbow opening What? Depeche Mode>Massive Attack? And that Other: Holy Fuck, M83, MIA, noname, honestly if I kept going it would be 80% of your acts there. I would travel from wherever for this, I would pay above face, it would be the highlight of my year. But it's nowhere close to realistic, and the average of your two rankings gives Bing/Rummy the edge. Wish you'd had a better seed, but there's no way I can justify giving you the edge here. Sorry.
Frazzledrip Honestly shocked that Taylor Swift fell as far as she did. Easy homerun for this game, and combined with a jam headliner, really gives you the freedom to book whoever you want in that third spot. And you booked Maiden, so good on you. This is my second ranked lineup for quality (behind the Bulls, what are ya gonna do), and the schedule works great for me. Admittedly different approach to the Other, but enough respect for jam bands that I think it balances out, at least in the aggregate score. Nobody is really talking about jam/jazz/world music yet, and that’s just as important to Bonnaroo as EDM.
Theo/Ted Good lineup, good Thursday, another situation where I wish you’d had a better seed/different matchup. But the wheels kinda fall off on Sunday. King Crimson is one of the least realistic names drafted, and I agree Lambert is a questionable sub. Also, that superjam seems like something you had a lot of fun putting together...but what the hell. Kinda makes your less realistic artists doubly visible. You did book more prominent jam than a bunch of others, props on that. Bummer matchup.
Capns Another favorite, and I don’t even care about Pearl Jam or Tool. I would in fact say the former sucks as hard as Steely Dan. I would have full days and great late nights. I’m voting for you here, but I guess what you’ve got to sell me on going forward: what do you see if you’re 18-22 and there to rage? Because it looks ok on the poster with Tyler, Kali, Denzel Curry near the top, but based on the clashfinder I can’t imagine a fan of those 3 acts has much to do during the day. And I don’t know if a festival this big can sell out without targeting the zoomers harder than this.
Silver/Truevine Running the Which on Thursday, with an act with as much draw as the Muppets, is the least realistic thing anyone has done in this draft. That’s way crazier than any single act. The second craziest thing anyone has done is put MBV in a tent late night. Tons of stuff I’d want to see here, and hands down the best presentation. Kacey was someone I’d pushed as a promotion headliner, so no issue there (in hindsight, glad you’re getting the heat for that one and not us). But for all TV’s gatekeeping, there’s too much like Terje, War Nymph, Shuggie Otis here. Personal preference, but Greta van Fleet>Portugal>Roger Waters is almost as unforgivable as Can’t Buy a Thrill.
Monie Bear Top heavy for sure. Honestly looks like a Lolla/ACL dual headliners split. You even have it on the poster like that. I would love Mr. Bungle, but that’s my vote for single least likely act. Witches>Bungle>Ministry is a great run, but it’s a Riot Fest run.
Jaz/Fred Another one that looks much better at the end than it did early on. Diverse genre mix and a lot of your early acts really hit for me. It would be my #1 in realism if you didn’t take a few Other liberties: no way in hell SURVIVE does their production-free hardware thing in there as a closer, Shabazz is too weird. Also don’t think the XX>Arcade Fire feels like a 2021 thing. Those are nitpicks overall, this really does look very Bonnaroo.
SANGDETO vs SLACKYPERRY Headliners: RATM, Metallica, Lizzo vs Janet Jackson, LCD, Kanye, Elton - Pretty easily Sangdeto here and I don't even love their trio that much. Rage is obviously great but I dont think Metallica makes that much sense to pair with them and Lizzo is a good booking that feels slightly stale since she was supposed to play this year. I think Kanye is the only ticket mover on the other side and current Kanye is not a good booking imo. Thursday: Son Lux > GOO > Algiers > Fontaines > ANNA (Good day, I think Son Lux and ANNA are too established for this day but other than that I like it. Ladies Of LCD Soundsystem > Vegyn (Honestly just don't know enough this day to have a real opinion about it, Vegyn would be a really cool booking) Thursday edge goes to SANGDETO Friday: Nilufer Yanya > Sudan Archives > Fatima Yamaha > Sylvan Esso > Black Coffee > Jungle > RAGE > SBTRKT > SJ > Mama Snake Kitten > Bladee > Tommy Genesis > AG Cook > Kimbra > Janet > Gecs > LCD > Daphni Friday edge goes to SLACKYPERRY, more in tune with my taste and sangdeto has a ton of recent repeats on this day (odesza, sylvan esso, jungle, etc) which makes it unrealistic to me Saturday: Busdriver > Bully > Kampire > Nickel Creek > Kruangbin > Bjork > Thee Oh Sees > Mastodon > Dj Seinfeld > Chromatics Daniel Powter > Washed Out > Clairo > DaBaby > Kanye West > Dan Deacon > SJ Edge goes to Sangdeto, dont think sangdetos lineup is very realistic this day at all but I'm really not a fan of the other day and its also not realistic. Sunday: DJ Tennis > Kelly Lee Owens > Little Dragon > Polica > Yaeji > Metallica Angelo > RBCF > Bill Calahan > Andrew Bird > Miley Cyrus This ones tough, Slackyperry is a lot more realistic up until Elton closes out bonnaroo for the second time in 5 years, but Metallica closing Sunday also seems pretty unrealistic to me.
Doesn't really matter, the headliners for Slackyperry are such a mess there was really no recovery from that for them, can't believe I wrote all this anyway
voting sangdeto
I do find it interesting that Bing and Fred haven't called sangdeto's lineup a primavera lineup
Leon Vynehall > TOPS > Simian Mobile Disco > Hot Chip > 2manydjs > J Dilla Superjam
Headliner: Theo / Teddy (Beyonce) vs. Frazzledrip (Taylor Swift) TIE Undercard: Theo / Teddy
Sunday Guided By Voices > Stereolab > Stevie Wonder
Caspian > Blessed Madonna
Headliner: Theo / Teddy (Stevie Wonder) vs Frazzledrip (Phish) Undercard: Theo / Teddy
Other
Realism: Theo / Teddy Too many Yuma tent dance acts for Frazzledrip (Leon Vynehall, Floorplan, Nina Kraviz, Octo Octa, Eris Drew etc). I think Teddy / Theo fall a bit unrealistic with Beyonce but you can say the same about Taylor Swift. The Chemical Brothers are unrealistic for sure but it’s balanced with a realistic Other tent.
Scheduling: Theo / Teddy Love Frazzledrip’s Friday scheduling (Sigur Ros late night is amazing) but don’t like James Murphy > Floorplan > Giorgio Moroder in the middle of the afternoon on the Other. Also Frazzledrip’s Sunday is really weak for me.
Neither of these lineups are very realistic to me, just in different ways. There's no universe in which Frank Ocean and Aphex Twin play on the same day at Bonnaroo, and I don't see Dolly headlining ever. Frank/Neil really is one of my favorite combos in this draft but you gotta water that shit down in the next couple lines, not draft Aphex Twin and SOAD. The Todd/Jortles lineup is just way too strong and peppered with rare acts.
While DE/WIPP don't have "too big" realism to worry about, this doesn't feel to me like something Bonnaroo would book. MCR, ELO, and Bad Bunny sure is an eclectic mix, and Pharrell wouldn't have the guestlist he'd have at Coach, so I don't know how much of a draw he'd be at #2 on his day. And Rihanna/MCR/Dead&Co...idk MCR just feels too out of place to me.
For realism, I'm giving Todd/Jortles a 2.5 and DE/WIPP a 7.5.
When it comes to quality, I think Todd/Jortles have an advantage that's largely due to the caliber of artists they drafted. However, I think they come closer to nailing Bonnaroo's brand and eclecticism than DE/WIPP - DE/WIPP's is a little too edgy overall for Roo's audience. But they did draft good acts...hmm. There's a bit to adjust for with both teams, but in the end I'm giving a slight nod to Todd/Jortles for booking a more Roo lineup.
For quality, I'm giving Todd/Jortles a 6 and DE/WIPP a 4.
Todd/Jortles - 8.5 DE/WIPP - 11.5
What's funny is back when I cared about this game my attitude was to draft artists that will probably never end up playing Bonnaroo in real life, but totally should (Dolly Parton being a prime example). I thought this was supposed to be a fun fantasy draft. But now it's kind of hilarious that everyone is tearing each other down for not being mediocre enough? Like what was the point of this game?
Friday Mild High Club > The Marias > Jlin > JETS > Thievery Corporation > D’Angelo & The Vanguard > Herbie Hancock > Kendrick Lamar > Todd Terje & The Olsens > Holy Spirit Superjam > Four Tet
Sleigh Bells > WAJATTA > PJ Harvey > Tyler, The Creator > Tears For Fears > Kraftwerk > Tortoise
Headliner: Team Jesus (Kendrick Lamar) vs. Mac Dog (Tool) Undercard: Team Jesus
Saturday Jacob Tranter > Preoccupations > Yumi Zouma > Bloc Party > Galcher Lustwerk > Father John Misty > Ross From Friends > BADBADNOTGOOD > Laff Traxx > Kacey Musgraves > Cigarettes After Sex > My Blood Valentine
Bat For Lashes > Denzel Curry > Gorillaz > Jamiroquai > Honey Dijon
Headliner: Mac Dog (Gorillaz) vs. Team Jesus (Kacey Musgraves) Undercard: Team Jesus
Sunday Batry Powr > Julia Holter > John Maus > Sun Ra Arkestra > Crumb > Emancipator Ensemble > Steve Lacy > Deerhunter > Roger Waters
Perfume Genius > Explosions in the Sky > Panda Bear > Thom Yorke > Actress
Headliner: Team Jesus (Roger Waters) vs. Mac Dog (Pearl Jam) Undercard: Mac Dog
Other
Realism: Team Jesus I think our team did the best job at appealing to the current Bonnaroo demographic while staying within budget of recent Bonnaroos. Mac Dog has five headliners and some acts that are too unrealistic (PJ Harvey, Kraftwerk, Danny Elfman, Actress). I do think Jamiroquai and Thom Yorke are plausible however.
Friday SALES > Dua Lipa > Pet Shop Boys > James Blake / Fever Ray
TLC > Devendra Banhart > Childish Gambino > Thundercat / King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard
Headliners: Monie Bear (Dua Lipa) vs Jaz / Fred (Childish Gambino) Undercard: Monie Bear
Saturday Yves Tumor > Lykke Li > Justice > James Blake Superjam
Mulatu Astake > London Grammar > FKA twigs > Beach House > Slowdive > Flying Lotus
Headliners: Monie Bear (Jay Z) vs Jaz / Fred (Lady Gaga) Undercard: Jaz / Fred
Sunday Nick Murphy > Jayda G > Fleetwood Mac
EOB > The xx > S U R V I V E > Arcade Fire
Headliners: Jaz / Fred (Arcade Fire) vs. Monie Bear (Fleetwood Mac)
Undercard: Jaz / Fred
Other
Realism: TIE I think both lineups are very realistic. Jaz / Fred might feels a bit too Coachella. Also think Slowdive is pushing it. Monie Bear has some Yuma tent acts (Charlotte de Witte, Jayda G).
Scheduling: Jaz / Fred Jaz / Fred has better late night options and overall scheduling with less gaps for me.
FIRST ROUND MATCHUPS You must vote for all matchups.
sang / deto katyperryofficial / slack HLs: sangdeto Subs: push. bjork is better than LCD, both probably unrealistic, but ill take dababy/miley > odesza/khalid. SJ: sangdeto. i like dead petz, but the other SJ seems unrealistic. GOO does nothing for me, but ill take ?/les, even though id probably do something different w/ them. UC: sangdeto, just more personal gets. realism: Dead Petz/'secret' Strokes show seems like too big of other sets. rage/metallica might not work, but rage is hot right now, and im firmly in the theyre a hip hop group camp, so i think they bridge lizzo/metallica well. idk how many tickets Janet/Elton/Kanye sells. I have no interest in seeing 2020-1 versions of them, and the most recent Janet led fests did not do well. neither lineup has anything super glaring, maybe bjork. but the scheduling on ICan'tGetNoKPO's team is off the walls. so overall id maybe give it to sangdeto.
gocatsnu / Dan Bobby B King T / JamesTheRam HLs: ariana/travis does nothing for me, madonna/weeknd i guess excites me for, but nothing to drive across the country for. i just saw paul, and from what ive gathered it's roughly going to be the same thing. David Gilmour is the white whale. I would go to Bonnaroo if it was Gilmour and 30 different Keller Williams' sets. DanCats Subs: kygo/lana dont do much for me, just saw robyn recently but for certain down to see again. i have maybe less interest in these? id probably have it Robyn > Lana > Byrne > Calvin > Garrix > Kygo, so even though theyve got the worst of the bunch, ill give it to James the T SJs: God damn the Opry is boring. Prince SJ for the win here. (James the T shouldve dropped the Opry and done a Rocky Horror jam with their lineup. huge waste) UC: v close, a lot to like each way. after Gil, Earl might be my favorite act in this matchup. gonna throw this to DanCats by a nose. Realism: going over again, fat boy slim seems like maybe the most unrealistic thing that bonnaroo wouldn't throw everything they had at like Gilmour. both seem really expensive. ive already gone over deftones, and i echo the Lynn stuff, so shifting gears, having Madonna/Weeknd/Garrix/Harris on top of Gilmour is crazy expensive, without having as much of a pop/guaranteed ticket movers as James the T's.
DRAGON ENERGY / whereispassionpit Todd / Jake Jortles HLs: Rhianna/MCR > Dolly/Frank (dolly just does nothing for me). Neil > D&C. this would be a push because of neil, buuttttt I'd probably see D&C again given a proper chance and it is a very good festival memory for me, so seeing Rhi/MCR for the first time would be bigger than the gap of Neil/D&C. Dragon Pit. Subs: no interest in Dave, very interested in System and Plant. flume/pharrell do nothing for me. ELO storms the gates here. Dragon Pit. SJs: i like both of these. cheers to not wasting a spot on the GOO. ill give it to Toddles (but wouldve liked them to not be on the same day) [also, why see some people who aren't even the seed of Zappa play songs at this festival, when you can see the fruit of his loins shred through Hot Rats at my festival] UC: Toddles has a lot of stuff i'd love to see, but an overwhelming amount more of stuff i wouldnt. i think devo might be the best unhighlit name in the draft for bonnaroo, perfect blend of weird with a big enough hit to draw a crowd of lookie loos. Dragon Pit. Realism: what's there left to be said about Toddles lineup? ill change lanes, i really wanted ELO as our 3 at some point, but i was struggling with the idea of that being possible. theyre probably Harry styles (we'll get to you later) level unrealistic as a sub at a festival like bonnaroo, but once i realized they were 7th(!) at Glastonbury it felt more ok, so not going to knock it a lot, but yuge sub. thats really my only realism critique here for them. even Cirez D is completely in the realm. Cirez/Testpilot headlined that fest in austin that bicep played, and testpilot played bonnaroo.
Pepe Silvia / Nathan Fielder fearandparanoia / money / problem dog HLs: i like the balls of keeping E street on there after not having it there to begin with and after people came to some kind of understanding that they weren't actually eligible. stones/cure just recently saw, cardi/cure, what is this acl 2019? jokes aside, these headliners are miles better for me, would be most excited about seeing cure again over stones, cardi would be fun. just saw tame (acl19), beck in 18, lorde in 17, and don't have any real interest in revisting. bruce would be cool. Dennis Rodmans. Subs: halsey/sia/sturgill does nothing for me. wu/mmj is also sort of underwhelming. GJ isn't happening. push. SJ: Banned Ole Opry might be my favorite Jam idea of all the ideas (outside my own) of al the drafts. seriously love the amount of thought that seemed to go into it, very bummed about JET there, but hey, add some songs to the setlist and celebrate him. i already did a Portlandia Super Jam, I also had Aimee Man and I drafted Andrew Bird and called it 'PUT A BIRD ON IT', so i can't give you any creativity points. Dennis Rodmans. UC: the Rodmans definitely get this for me. More overall i'd be into catching. Realism: a lot to digest here. Rolling Stones seem like a pipe dream, if they skipped a Nashville stadium show to do Bonnaroo, they would need to seriously adjust their situation. Jazz fest is a huge, consistent, festival and they completely changed their ticketing/scheduling to fit the stones. which probably doesn't even happen if the band didn't have such a hard on for the history of New Orleans music. the desert trip costs + that make it seem like Roo is completely out of the question. Halsey is also a huge 4, Sia at 5, big big names. this lineup costs a ton. but it moves tickets. annnd Grace/Arca. push.
Chandler Bing / Rummy VieuxCareen / cdevaney HL: idk, ill give it to Rummaging for Chandlers. id like to see Paul before he dies, Radiohead is the biz, i just saw billie sub headline and i get the bump, but personally not big. i didnt think drake was awful when i saw him and that was awhile ago, but saw jack at shaky, not the biggest depeche guy. Subs: NIN/Massive/janelle floors chance/rufus/solange. SJs: boring ass oprys. both have fine guests. idk whats going on w/ the other jam but not something that jumps out. UC: Rummaging for Chandlers have more stuff i'd like overall, LPP more top heavy. Realism: i think LPP has been raked enough. i think chance is a sub because he flopped after trying to make the jump. solange 2nd on her day is a weird bump from an underattended set. idk, she's cancelled, shown up late, or had an empty crowd during all the shows of hers ive been around. i also think RH/Billie/Paul is a huge money top line. Billie is arguably a top 5 name in music, she's blowing up arenas, and id assume most fests she was booked at in 18-19 she was booked prior to the bump. Paul simon is playing for charity now, why would he take a discount? if youve sworn off touring, but would like to do one offs for charity, youd have to assume youd charge a lot. godspeed and bikini kill in tiny font also seems like a stretch. against another team, id feel like there'd be real issues here.
Theo / Teddy Flair Delicious Meatball Sub / Larry Farnsworth HLs: Bey > Tay, Maiden > Foos, Stevie > Phish. i'll give it to the Teds. Subs: Chem Bros > the field here. the little i saw of AM's headline set at ACL was rather underwhelming, Queens rips, definitely better than Lambert for me personally, id take ASAP over future for sure. Teds. SJs: Frazzle, nice inspired Jams, using their picks to build them. Dilla one is especially fun and creative. UC: like both enough, certain things here and there. king crimson definitely my favorite thing here, but stereolab also right there. seeing sigur/girogio/dino jr also big. push. Realism: Bey and Tay seem extremely unattainable. if it wasn't for this festival being next door to nashville, id say taylor is even more so, but it is. so to some degree, id think beyonce is a harder pull. i don't see Iron Maiden playing a multi genre festival in the US as much as people want it to happen. they can't fill arenas, there isn't enough on that day/over the weekend to really pull those die hards. also don't buy that they'd accept doing it, havent even played Glasto. kylie also someone who seems too rare/not enough of a US draw. dont like Missy as a 3rd on her day. bey/foos/stevie/chem/lambert seems crazy expensive, but its at least spread out better. teds in a nose here, but they're going to run into issues for me down the road.
Capn Jim “Mad Dog” Mattis / Cap’n Mac (duh) Silver Surfer / true vine *disclaimer, I am, Capn Jim "Mad Dog" Mattis HLs: Roger > PJ, Gorillaz > KL (hot take im sure, but ive never seen Gorillaz), Tool > Kacey. I love Kacey. I own Golden Hour. I saw her ride off stage on a FUCKING HORSE at the Houston Rodeo. but lets be real, not a headliner, especially coming off the exact same set as last time (19). Yes, Tool was in line to headline this year, but this year didn't happen. Subs: i guess if you cancel Crystal Castles, Portugal was 19th in 2017, why did they get a sub bump? is d'angelo even active? notoriously rare get, that isnt doing shows currently, and wasn't even a sub following Black Messiah. the chicks are having a moment, but idk how big a draw they are, and that moment is because theyve decided after two decades to drop the racially insensitive part of their name. our subs fucking bang. are they too big, maybe, we'll get to that. is lionel richie too soon to repeat, maybe, but i wasn't there, and haven't seen him. SJs: gonna pass on boring ass Opry and *checks notes* church....for a fucking good ass time celebrating punk, new wave, and hardcore. UC: bunch of stuff i like, but not as much as stuff i like on the Capn's. real catch 22 here. will say theres stuff on here that is more of a turnoff in general for me, GVF (do we have anyone that ass on our lineup?), Gallagher (hard pass, on either). Realism: Roger Waters outdoors after saying he wanted to just play indoors on this upcoming tour. also took a whopper of a payday to do it outside at trip. MBV. 3rd on their day. GVF below PTM. War Nymph. that saturday alone could be one of the least attended days of bonnaroo ever. as much as we 'over stuffed', our top 6's probably cost the same all together, and makes more sense.
Moine / Fozzie Bear Jaz / Fred HLs: repeat CG, but i didn't go to that roo, and i also skipped him entirely for the Cure at ACL (no regrets), but i can see how that turns people off. for me, id probably go Gambino > Lipa, Gaga > Jay (but i wonder if i'd like her outdoor performance as much as indoors, whereas Jay's is perfect for outdoors), AF > Fleetwood sans Lindsey. Jaz/Fred Subs: honestly not my favorites across the board. harry feels too big, almost wonder if he'd have worked better w/ AF who seem like a weaker HLer than Gambino at this point. of all of them though FKA definitely the one id be most excited for, then probably Diana. Jaz/Fred SJs: Opry is boring!!! JB & Friends seems a little scattered. Tennessee Jam seems like an improvement on the most recent Tennesse SJ, but flash backs of what was a terrible concept. MonieBear UC: Gizz, Mason, Push, Beach House go a long way. Blake, Justice close. both 2nd lines feel very roo. Yves, PSB, SOPHIE, Fever Ray all very good. but think top to bottom i like jaz/fred more. Realism: Harry. XX as a sub again is fine, unless you're one of those 'florence wouldn't sub again' monsters. fred/jaz has a lot more repeats of recent years than the rest on first glance, which for me isn't an issue, but it is if youve been to roo, and if youre trying to 'get me back'. less of an issue is the fka twigs #2 on day, slowdive/J&MC bookings. i think for me here, i see fred/jaz top lines and think it's pushing whats possible, but the undercard is mostly fine, but Monie Bears seems ok up top but digging in, it has more 'probably nots'.
*this took hours to do and i finally finished so, some of my takes might be dated alreaddy
Capns Another favorite, and I don’t even care about Pearl Jam or Tool. I would in fact say the former sucks as hard as Steely Dan. I would have full days and great late nights. I’m voting for you here, but I guess what you’ve got to sell me on going forward: what do you see if you’re 18-22 and there to rage? Because it looks ok on the poster with Tyler, Kali, Denzel Curry near the top, but based on the clashfinder I can’t imagine a fan of those 3 acts has much to do during the day. And I don’t know if a festival this big can sell out without targeting the zoomers harder than this.
Aside from the ones you mentioned...
I think Gorillaz work well, it's essentially classic rock to the young bucks.
Lil Wayne is the Jay Z to the current gen of rap. Slow burn of Pac > DMX > Wayne that leads to a boom of that genre of hip hop. His crowd at ACL 18 (first show for CV) was huge, festival security had to get on the mic and tell people to take a step back and stop rushing or Wayne wouldn't come out because people were getting crushed. I've followed him essentially his whole career, and the majority of the crowd was a decade younger than me.
Sunday definitely more bare, but I didn't feel like the crowd at Thom was a specific age group, either time, Perfume Genius is that bracket (opened for Tame), panda. If you're just getting into college I'm sure An Co and Radiohead are a big deal.
Thursday definitely trends young (minus CBGB).
And aside from satisfying the Molly muncher crowd (see previous post), we have stuff like slowthai, Isiash Rashad, boygenius, cashmere cat, Quinlan, giraffage, phoelix, that all have their place in the up and coming hip hop/indie/edm world
*Also actress (a very reasonable Bonnaroo booking) had a couple of songs in the 10+mil range working with bigger names. I'm sure people who fuck with stuff like Joji would check that out before the songs they remember from guitar hero at pearl jam
**And things like "we saw Ed helms!" and "we saw Idris Elba!" is currently less culturally relevant than "we saw Reggie Watts!" "Questlove" "Zoe"
***Also, there's like a 50% chance someone gets into the Dead at age 21 from my experience, and people rave about JRAD. seems like a solid get for the "let's order Lithuania Olympic jerseys" "Ah sick bro!" Crowd
Neither of these lineups are very realistic to me, just in different ways. There's no universe in which Frank Ocean and Aphex Twin play on the same day at Bonnaroo, and I don't see Dolly headlining ever. Frank/Neil really is one of my favorite combos in this draft but you gotta water that shit down in the next couple lines, not draft Aphex Twin and SOAD. The Todd/Jortles lineup is just way too strong and peppered with rare acts.
While DE/WIPP don't have "too big" realism to worry about, this doesn't feel to me like something Bonnaroo would book. MCR, ELO, and Bad Bunny sure is an eclectic mix, and Pharrell wouldn't have the guestlist he'd have at Coach, so I don't know how much of a draw he'd be at #2 on his day. And Rihanna/MCR/Dead&Co...idk MCR just feels too out of place to me.
For realism, I'm giving Todd/Jortles a 2.5 and DE/WIPP a 7.5.
When it comes to quality, I think Todd/Jortles have an advantage that's largely due to the caliber of artists they drafted. However, I think they come closer to nailing Bonnaroo's brand and eclecticism than DE/WIPP - DE/WIPP's is a little too edgy overall for Roo's audience. But they did draft good acts...hmm. There's a bit to adjust for with both teams, but in the end I'm giving a slight nod to Todd/Jortles for booking a more Roo lineup.
For quality, I'm giving Todd/Jortles a 6 and DE/WIPP a 4.
Todd/Jortles - 8.5 DE/WIPP - 11.5
What's funny is back when I cared about this game my attitude was to draft artists that will probably never end up playing Bonnaroo in real life, but totally should (Dolly Parton being a prime example). I thought this was supposed to be a fun fantasy draft. But now it's kind of hilarious that everyone is tearing each other down for not being mediocre enough? Like what was the point of this game?
This was everyone’s concern at the start of the draft, where it was like “oh wait we actually have to draft bad lineups?”
Bottom line is that everyone is using a different mechanism for “realism” and that’s a problem in voting. There are also quite a few people who clearly take realism as “Bonnaroo wouldn’t book this because it’s too good” which completely ruins the point of the game imo.
What's funny is back when I cared about this game my attitude was to draft artists that will probably never end up playing Bonnaroo in real life, but totally should (Dolly Parton being a prime example). I thought this was supposed to be a fun fantasy draft. But now it's kind of hilarious that everyone is tearing each other down for not being mediocre enough? Like what was the point of this game?
This was everyone’s concern at the start of the draft, where it was like “oh wait we actually have to draft bad lineups?”
Bottom line is that everyone is using a different mechanism for “realism” and that’s a problem in voting. There are also quite a few people who clearly take realism as “Bonnaroo wouldn’t book this because it’s too good” which completely ruins the point of the game imo.
You can book 'acts that are too good to be booked by Bonnaroo', you just have to compremise those acts with other acts in my opinion. Bonnaroo is not III Points or Primavera and when I'm seeing like twenty acts on a certain line-up that are very niche, you can't just justify that with saying "oh, but they don't cost that much so it's fine. We're just making Roo better." You're taking a massive leap and making an enormeous change to what a Bonnaroo looks like to the point of changing most of it's undercard or entire stages and that it's not very recognizable anymore. That's not r e a l i s t i c imo.
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. Schedule fills out very nicely for the rest of the day too, with acts I either don't mind at all or actively love.
