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First, the whole promotion thing hasn't been handled right. It seems like they're saying that the next game is a do or die for Richmond in terms of getting back to the PL, but that's not quite how promotion works. The top 2 teams get promoted, and then teams 3,4, 5, and 6 enter a playoff for the final promotion spot. So the only way the next game would be a do or die would be if Richmond was one of the 3-6 teams, and the next game is the final in the mini playoff. Which it certainly could be, but the lack of any focus on the actual soccer this year leaves it all pretty confusing.
Also, the Ghana billionaire plot seems fishy. For one, you can't place transfer bids on players when you don't have an actual team yet. (There was actually a real-life scandal about this recently featuring former England manager Sam Allardyce.) Second, the idea that he'd buy a team like Casablanca and elevate them to PSG/Man U status just isn't at all realistic, based on the structure of international football. (African teams aren't eligible for the Champions league, for instance, and there's no big money league on par with the PL, La Liga, etc.) So there's a part of me that wonders if this is actually some sort of elaborate hoax staged by Rupert. I still think his endgame is buying another team, with Nate as manager, but this whole thing seems weird.
First, the whole promotion thing hasn't been handled right. It seems like they're saying that the next game is a do or die for Richmond in terms of getting back to the PL, but that's not quite how promotion works. The top 2 teams get promoted, and then teams 3,4, 5, and 6 enter a playoff for the final promotion spot. So the only way the next game would be a do or die would be if Richmond was one of the 3-6 teams, and the next game is the final in the mini playoff. Which it certainly could be, but the lack of any focus on the actual soccer this year leaves it all pretty confusing.
Also, the Ghana billionaire plot seems fishy. For one, you can't place transfer bids on players when you don't have an actual team yet. (There was actually a real-life scandal about this recently featuring former England manager Sam Allardyce.) Second, the idea that he'd buy a team like Casablanca and elevate them to PSG/Man U status just isn't at all realistic, based on the structure of international football. (African teams aren't eligible for the Champions league, for instance, and there's no big money league on par with the PL, La Liga, etc.) So there's a part of me that wonders if this is actually some sort of elaborate hoax staged by Rupert. I still think his endgame is buying another team, with Nate as manager, but this whole thing seems weird.
If this final game was merely to determine 1st/2nd, then they'd have already secured promotion. And if it was a game where if they win they're 1/2 and a lock to be promoted, it still wouldn't be the do or die it's being presented as, because if they lost, they'd ostensibly be in line for the playoff. So the only way it really makes sense is if they're one of the 3-6 teams, and this is the playoff final.
Which, frankly, would make a lot of sense (hard to see how they'd be 1/2 in the table after starting off the season 0-1-8 or whatever it was), but it would be a lot more compelling if we'd actually witnessed them scrapping back.
First, the whole promotion thing hasn't been handled right. It seems like they're saying that the next game is a do or die for Richmond in terms of getting back to the PL, but that's not quite how promotion works. The top 2 teams get promoted, and then teams 3,4, 5, and 6 enter a playoff for the final promotion spot. So the only way the next game would be a do or die would be if Richmond was one of the 3-6 teams, and the next game is the final in the mini playoff. Which it certainly could be, but the lack of any focus on the actual soccer this year leaves it all pretty confusing.
Also, the Ghana billionaire plot seems fishy. For one, you can't place transfer bids on players when you don't have an actual team yet. (There was actually a real-life scandal about this recently featuring former England manager Sam Allardyce.) Second, the idea that he'd buy a team like Casablanca and elevate them to PSG/Man U status just isn't at all realistic, based on the structure of international football. (African teams aren't eligible for the Champions league, for instance, and there's no big money league on par with the PL, La Liga, etc.) So there's a part of me that wonders if this is actually some sort of elaborate hoax staged by Rupert. I still think his endgame is buying another team, with Nate as manager, but this whole thing seems weird.
Not really sure how I feel about Nasty Nate's turn to the dark side. I guess him wearing the black suit just showed how much he wanted to be Roy Kent. It certainly doesn't feel contrived, it makes sense with the character motivation of wanting to be taken more seriously, but his telling Ted off at the end just felt off. It's a sharp contrast to the feel-good optimism the rest of the show strives for and made it hard to focus on or care about anything else going on in the episode.
Beard has all my favorite lines though. "Horticulture, baby!"
They just not to even talk about football really, every time they do it's pretty cringe. I know that none of the writers are real football fans, but certainly they must have a story editor that says "This story is ridiculous.' That said, still love it.
I assume there with be some sort of redemption story for him next season though. Being out on his own and working for Rupert, he will realize how much Ted was doing for him the whole time. Something along those lines.
re: Nate, I think the realism aspect is at least supported by a lot of the plot from both seasons, Ted also being a long shot, Rebecca and Rupert being petty and fine sabotaging themselves as long as the other is net negative, Nate struggling with attention and power. I think Sam and Nate parallel with loyalty/opportunity, and how they react to their disappointed parents. I think it may have gotten a little heavy handed their at the end but they needed a new bad guy and I think it works well.
re: Nate, I think the realism aspect is at least supported by a lot of the plot from both seasons, Ted also being a long shot, Rebecca and Rupert being petty and fine sabotaging themselves as long as the other is net negative, Nate struggling with attention and power. I think Sam and Nate parallel with loyalty/opportunity, and how they react to their disappointed parents. I think it may have gotten a little heavy handed their at the end but they needed a new bad guy and I think it works well.
I agree that it makes sense and there was a realistic progression. I think maybe the pacing is funky but then again we have to assume this was a progression over the course of a full 46 match season.
Nate pretty much followed the psychology handbook 101 for betrayal. He got a taste of fame and power and wanted more. He rationalized his behavior by projecting his fears onto Ted. He betrayed him to the press because he wanted to be fired. He wanted his false 9 to fail so that he would be fired. That would have given him a reason to leave with a clear conscience. The act of tearing up the believe sign was, in my opinion, the worst betrayal of all. And I don't think we will have a redemption act next season for him. Nate is gone to the dark side to stay.
I think it's a stretch to say he wanted it to fail and he wanted to be fired, although it would fall in line with why he was still aggravated when it actually succeeded. But I think really he just wanted to be respected as much as he felt he deserved. Season 1 Ted lifted him up, and elevated him to coach. In season 2 he became the wonder kid, but when Roy Kent was added to the coaching staff, he lost the adoration and spotlight. Because of Roy's instant respect from his history as a legendary player it would make sense that Nate felt cast aside or less important, but he never kept in mind that if it wasn't for Ted he'd still be the towel boy.
The theme of the episode to me was gratefulness. Nate and Keeley kind of mirrored each other with being given great opportunities and being elevated. Keeley was so grateful to Rebecca who she saw as a mentor, whereas Nate had a sense of entitlement that because he was English, had a longer history with the game and the club, that it was owed to him and even more-so that he was better than Ted.
But will he be redeemed? I think a lot of his thinking is because of Rupert. As Juggs pointed out it was probably at the funeral that he was offered the position of head coach, which caused him to fester this false sense of entitlement and bad feelings towards the only guy who ever game him a chance. So I think if this show is willing to redeem someone like Jamie Tart, then Nate will have his redemption arc in the next season. This show I think was in need of a real antagonist, so I imagine if he is redeemed it wouldn't be until the very end.
This was really good from The New York Times. I did not catch this.
The title of this episode comes from two sources: “Inverting the Pyramid,” a book of soccer tactics that Coach Beard is reading, and “The Pyramid of Success,” developed by the legendary UCLA basketball coach John Wooden (a.k.a., as Ted describes him earlier in the episode, “John Obi-Wan Gandalf”). A signed copy of the latter hangs on Ted’s office wall, and Nate is staring at it before the match. At the top is what Nate wants: competitive greatness. But at the bottom, holding the whole edifice up, are the qualities that Nate is quickly abandoning: friendship, loyalty, cooperation, enthusiasm. He’s inverting the pyramid.
Roy and Keeley. Boy howdy, do I feel like the show is working hard to introduce drama into their relationship for no reason. Here are two people who we've seen be all about maturity, accountability, communication, and understanding. And then Roy - Roy Kent, of all people - is going to get upset about a magazine photo shoot? And then he, who had this major learning moment of needing to understand Keeley's individual needs earlier in the season and has more than once referred to her as "the independent woman," is going to book a *six-week* vacation without checking in with her, first?
Like, I get it, happy couples are boring, and whatever, but it really feels like they're trying to force conflict on the relationship in a way that doesn't fit what we know about these characters so far.
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hes been here there everywhere his whole life and was at least always recognized for his work (including the we miss Roy tv bit), that's the first time he probably felt overlooked in a major way
edit: also i know i could just google that but sometimes it's nice to just talk to your friends about tv on the internet.
think so. I had always hoped that the 3 season direction would have been 1. Narrowly avoid relegation 2. Heartwarming surprise story with a strong League finish 3. Ted Lasso in the champions league; but it doesn’t look like we’ll ever see them outside of England
Post by potentpotables on Feb 14, 2023 11:07:13 GMT -5
I actually think I saw something that walked back the 3 season promise of the show. It didn't commit but it didn't guarantee the end after s3. Maybe an interview with Brendan Hunt.
Yeah there hasnt been any hard confirmation that it's the end, but also I don't think there are any plans for a 4th season. Probably something they'd revisit a few years down the line if everyone involved was willing.
Yeah there hasnt been any hard confirmation that it's the end, but also I don't think there are any plans for a 4th season. Probably something they'd revisit a few years down the line if everyone involved was willing.
i'd be happy either way. and i don't think it's a bad idea to just leave it open, as you said maybe in a few years they come up with a good idea for a season 4 and everybody wants to get back together. just put a nice bow on it in the season 3 finale just in case.
i am looking forward to a lot of these actors moving on to other things. very talented cast and i'd be thrilled to see them doing other stuff.
edit: also i know i could just google that but sometimes it's nice to just talk to your friends about tv on the internet.
think so. I had always hoped that the 3 season direction would have been 1. Narrowly avoid relegation 2. Heartwarming surprise story with a strong League finish 3. Ted Lasso in the champions league; but it doesn’t look like we’ll ever see them outside of England
Given how much of Ted's trauma has to do with his father and that relationship, I have to imagine any sort of closure-type ending would take him back to America to be a present father for his son, leaving Richmond in a new coach's hands (maybe Roy, or in the ultimate redemption arc, Nate?) but transformed by Lasso-ism.
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Post by 3post1jack1 on Mar 20, 2023 16:58:39 GMT -5
S3E1 spoilers but since this is the Ted Lasso thread i'm not going to spoiler tag them:
i enjoyed the first episode. it feels good that Ted's mental and emotional health journey is in full stride. i like that they aren't portraying it like he is going to solve all his problems, because nobody ever does, but the story puts emphasis on the importance of just putting one foot in front of another when trying to become a better human. but in terms of the physical world, where we are headed is Ted is going to go home because he wants to be near his kid, which means there are going to be some goodbyes in those final episodes, so i need to head to Costco to buy some kleenex is bulk because i know this show is going to fuck up the tear duct.
having said that, there is a very interesting conflict developing between Ted wanting to make good people out of his players vs. the traditional sports story goal, which is to win. Becca wants to win for the wrong reasons, but like it or not, winning is a good thing for a team. it all feels extremely standard-sports-show at this point, the underdog who nobody believes in will climb to the top and win it all! but damn it that's what i want, and for a show thats spent two seasons bucking the sports show stereotype, i think it's earned the right to slip into that comfortable conclusion.
if any one character story is maybe looking a bit predictable it's Nate's, he's going to have some sort of redemption arc where he manages to marry his drive and talent with some Ted Lasso compassion and warmth (and that could make him like the greatest coach ever) but that foreshadowing didn't stop me from getting a bit emotional when Ted was "winning" against Nate in the court of opinion just by being fun and self deprecating instead of being a dick.
if any one character story is maybe looking a bit predictable it's Nate's, he's going to have some sort of redemption arc where he manages to marry his drive and talent with some Ted Lasso compassion and warmth (and that could make him like the greatest coach ever) but that foreshadowing didn't stop me from getting a bit emotional when Ted was "winning" against Nate in the court of opinion just by being fun and self deprecating instead of being a dick.
man i love this show.
Interesting - I don't see Nate getting redemption at all. Maybe this is due to comments from (I think) Brendan Hunt before season 2 about Nate turning into a villain (and maybe my thinking is wrong and the comments don't apply to Season 3). What would happen to Nate for him to get the redemption, as an example? I guess maybe he could get fired at West Ham and return to Richmond, asking for his job as the kit manager but Ted extends the grace to give him an assistant job?
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