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The Festive Owl Twitter account posted/retweeted multiple screen shots of social posts from people who were in the middle of it. These first person accounts contain a lot more detail than the brief quotes found elsewhere.
Last Edit: Nov 9, 2021 18:29:58 GMT -5 by tw12 - Back to Top
Travis Scott has maxed out the amount of disgust I can possibly feel towards one person. Guy could literally have an island like Epstein and I wouldn't hate him any more than I already do now
And yet, the properly trained EMT group was obviously not enough. Him putting most of this on the crowd, but not Travis & Live Nation? WTF
I mean blame should definitely be cast on Travis and Live Nation, but let’s be honest the crowd of people pushing and raging with zero regard for those around them are the true causation of this tragedy. Live Nation and or Travis should have certainly stopped/limited the bleeding a lot sooner and ideally that would have saved some lives, but they didn’t say go out and crush someone or keep pushing people forward with no regard for anyone around them. That was the result of a bunch of immature twats.
It’s a very sad situation, but as someone who works in risk management it appears they hired EMTs and third party security/police based on previous needs established by the 1000s of other festivals they’ve put on. The one huge mistake they made was they didn’t delay the show for a few minutes to try and calm the crowd and allow for their personal to reach those who wanted/needed help. This would have potentially allowed them to truly assess the situation as opposed to constantly scrambling with poor to little communication. Unfortunately, that’s the big problem with hiring a bunch of third party contractors for short duration events. You’re just not prepared for all types of large scale disaster recovery plans.
Sources connected to Travis tell TMZ ... the rapper was never told at the festival people had died in the crowd and hundreds more were injured. The sources say, "Travis didn't know the severity of the situation when he arrived at the party, as far as timing, this remains consistent with the fact that no one including the police had publicly confirmed the gravity of the events that had taken place."
But, we're told when someone told Travis at Dave & Buster's about the tragedy, he immediately left the party. This seems to support the notion he didn't know ... even when he left the venue.
I wouldn't be shocked if nobody on his team actually told him what really happened and he truly didn't know, whether that be on purpose or not for his team to not bother telling Travis until later. He probably knew things got out of hand but not to that extent.
Code so if by chance you were overheard on communications it doesnt alert bystanders about something happening. What type of reaction would you have if you heard a radio call literally saying “yeah, we have a bunch of people dead by the stage”.
So I’ve been oddly obsessed with this since I heard what happened. I think the reason I’m so intrigued (and I’m sure you guys can relate) is because I’ve been in crowds like this. I’ve been in crowds where I have no control over my movements and my feet aren’t on the ground, can’t catch my breath, stuck with my arm in the air Bc I can’t get it back down… but I’ve never been in a situation where people were trampled or had serious injuries, let alone died. Finding the point or the reason it turns into a deadly situation has become a def point of fascination for me.
I’ve seen everything from crowd surge, to bad layouts, and poorly placed barricades as the reason for it. And i can’t believe they left the show continue for 40 mins after they knew what was happening. But one thing that stands out to me are the reports of people who had fallen and other people just actively ignored them and stepped over them and kept raging. Like, the total lack of concert etiquette and watching out for those around you just astounds me. And I’m not talking about people on the other side who didn’t know what was happening. I’m talking about people who saw someone go down and STEPPED OVER OR ON THEM to move up a spot.
Anyways. There’s so much on IG & TikTok to consume on this. So many first hand accounts and they all sound traumatizing. Seannafaith on IG has been compiling stuff into a highlight on her page. She’s the girl in the video yelling at the cameraman for help. I got into a deep hole of profile hopping last night reading all the of stories.
Very very sad. Wonder if Travis will recover from this. I’ve seen he pulled out of his Vegas show but unknown if it was really his choice or not.
But one thing that stands out to me are the reports of people who had fallen and other people just actively ignored them and stepped over them and kept raging. Like, the total lack of concert etiquette and watching out for those around you just astounds me. And I’m not talking about people on the other side who didn’t know what was happening. I’m talking about people who saw someone go down and STEPPED OVER OR ON THEM to move up a spot.
I've been beating the drum about the increasing narcissism and complete disregard for everyone else around them from increasingly younger festival crowds for years, now, and every time I do, there's a whole bunch of "KIDS WILL BE KIDS LOOK AT THIS OLD MAN YELLING AT CLOUD." We had a mini-riot after they called off Sunday of Governors Ball in 2019, leading to a bunch of navel-gazing about how the festival needed to be 18+ moving forward that was promptly forgotten during the pandemic, but it's not hard, in my opinion, to draw a line from that event to this. I saw assholes on reddit posting in the immediate aftermath of this thing about how, where they were in the crowd, they didn't notice any of the bad stuff going on, and also, they got great footage of the show, so it's a win.
I dunno, man. Kids are going to wild out at shows, and they should, but there's a way to do it without it resulting in injury, damage, or death, and we seem to have lost the plot on that, to a degree.
At the Tool/Primus show on halloween a few years ago there was a huge surge when Tool started and I got really cramped up in the crowd. couldn't move my arms and was just trying to stay on my feet, swaying with the movement of the crowd. My glasses fell off so I couldn't see and I started really panicking. I ended up passing out. Luckily my friend and a couple other guys helped me up and out of there to some fresh air and I was able to watch the rest of the show (from way in the back). I came to as they were helping me through the crowd, a bunch of people were following our line to get out of there. Other people in the crowd were bitching at us for cutting through getting in their sightlines. One dude got in my face and was yelling at me because I passed out? It was pretty hostile and scary. The rest of the show was fine, I listened from the back (because my glasses fell off and got crushed so I couldn't really see) but it was definitely a scary moment for me. I can't imagine what it was like at astroworld. not being able to move because of masses of people pushing and shoving, just closing in around you, is terrifying.
