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I might be very wrong about this, but it was my understanding that part of the reason that the posters were going up was to remind the Israeli government and its allies that they should be focusing on getting the hostages out. I've heard news stories to that effect, where families of the hostages are outside government agencies protesting for them to be trying to save the hostages because they are afraid that the bombing is going to kill them, too.
Or maybe they have nothing to do with the families of the hostages at all. But the families of the hostages are for sure protesting for the government to focus on saving them over bombing the area.
But the Israeli government obviously doesn't actually care about the hostages. They've had opportunities to make hostage exchanges, etc and refused. Civilians aren't really important at this point
Oops. Israel has quietly said the 1400 death number from 10/7 is actually 1200. Good luck finding that in the MSM though…
They couldn't tell Hamas and Israelis apart in death, so I wonder how they did in life with all those Apache attack helicopters unloading on cars, homes, people running, etc.
I tried to respectfully talk about the Israel-Palestinian conflict on facebook.. and got Zion dumped on from someone I actually respect a lot. I'm totally fucked.
I tried to respectfully talk about the Israel-Palestinian conflict on facebook.. and got Zion dumped on from someone I actually respect a lot. I'm totally fucked.
yeah it is brutal out there. Some people have really truly disappointed me.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I can't decide which part of this is the most upsetting.
"we also discussed how her religious attitudes shape her view of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, why human rights should not be considered universal, and why she should not be expected to mourn for dead Palestinian children."
i have no words. the fact that the New Yorker is offering this sorry excuse of a human such a public widespread platform to spew her hateful bullshit is abhorrent but i shouldnt even be surprised anymore. i want to believe that almost anyone with a brain and heart will read this interview and find her despicable, but im sure plenty will think she's Brave and Passionate instead.
ETA: I am well aware that the interviewer’s tone and questions suggest he doesn’t agree with her but it is nonetheless giving her a platform. Which she certainly doesn’t deserve.
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
I can't decide which part of this is the most upsetting.
We saw some horrible images on October 7th of what happened to Israeli children, and now we see some horrible images in Gaza of what is happening to Palestinian children. When you see Palestinian children dying, what’s your emotional reaction as a human being?
I go by a very basic human law of nature. My children are prior to the children of the enemy, period. They are first. My children are first.
We are talking about children. I don’t know if the law of nature is what we need to be looking at here.
I can't decide which part of this is the most upsetting.
"we also discussed how her religious attitudes shape her view of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, why human rights should not be considered universal, and why she should not be expected to mourn for dead Palestinian children."
i have no words. the fact that the New Yorker is offering this sorry excuse of a human such a public widespread platform to spew her hateful bullshit is abhorrent but i shouldnt even be surprised anymore. i want to believe that almost anyone with a brain and heart will read this interview and find her despicable, but im sure plenty will think she's Brave and Passionate instead.
ETA: I am well aware that the interviewer’s tone and questions suggest he doesn’t agree with her but it is nonetheless giving her a platform. Which she certainly doesn’t deserve.
I’m ok w it. I think anyone who reads this and think she’s right is unsaveable anyway but I could see this giving some people who don’t know much about the conflict a good idea on what Zionists are actually like.
"we also discussed how her religious attitudes shape her view of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, why human rights should not be considered universal, and why she should not be expected to mourn for dead Palestinian children."
i have no words. the fact that the New Yorker is offering this sorry excuse of a human such a public widespread platform to spew her hateful bullshit is abhorrent but i shouldnt even be surprised anymore. i want to believe that almost anyone with a brain and heart will read this interview and find her despicable, but im sure plenty will think she's Brave and Passionate instead.
ETA: I am well aware that the interviewer’s tone and questions suggest he doesn’t agree with her but it is nonetheless giving her a platform. Which she certainly doesn’t deserve.
I’m ok w it. I think anyone who reads this and think she’s right is unsaveable anyway but I could see this giving some people who don’t know much about the conflict a good idea on what Zionists are actually like.
yeah that’s a fair take. I’m just enraged by the article , naturally
Considering you've found the need to respond to my threads as if you are threatened by me I offer you some peace my confused counterpart. May you find peace in your restless soul.
Israel has no use for those citizens other than further propaganda in support of their genocide. Their lives are expendable so long as the Israeli government gets to continue to kill Palestinian children. That's why no one here cares about people tearing down posters, because it's a fake concern the NY Post can throw on their front page to make people hate the Free Palestine movement, and we're not ignorant enough to fall for it.
Even if you believe that the Israeli government doesn't care about those hostages, that doesn't change the fact that those posters depict real people, who are innocent, and being held captive against their will. Those are people's children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, cousins, & friends. People are mourning, and I assure you their concern is very real. Those posters are absolutely a grieving mechanism. A central pillar in mourning within Judaism is preserving the memory of those who have been lost, so if you believe it's okay to try blot out those memories by vandalizing the empty Shabbat tables that have been put up, or ripping down the posters with their photos, than I would argue you are morally bankrupt.
They haven't been *lost*. They are hostages. They are living people who Israel has decided are expendable.
Again, this rhetoric of yours isn't working on anyone here.
Even if you believe that the Israeli government doesn't care about those hostages, that doesn't change the fact that those posters depict real people, who are innocent, and being held captive against their will. Those are people's children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, cousins, & friends. People are mourning, and I assure you their concern is very real. Those posters are absolutely a grieving mechanism. A central pillar in mourning within Judaism is preserving the memory of those who have been lost, so if you believe it's okay to try blot out those memories by vandalizing the empty Shabbat tables that have been put up, or ripping down the posters with their photos, than I would argue you are morally bankrupt.
They haven't been *lost*. They are hostages. They are living people who Israel has decided are expendable.
Again, this rhetoric of yours isn't working on anyone here.
For the families and friends of the hostages, they are currently lost. They are holding out hope that they might come home safely, but that hope gets smaller by the day. I assume that doesn't mean anything to you, I suspect you don't have any skin in the game.
I realize that my words are falling on deaf ears, this thread is more or less an echo chamber for one point of view.
They haven't been *lost*. They are hostages. They are living people who Israel has decided are expendable.
Again, this rhetoric of yours isn't working on anyone here.
For the families and friends of the hostages, they are currently lost. They are holding out hope that they might come home safely, but that hope gets smaller by the day. I assume that doesn't mean anything to you, I suspect you don't have any skin in the game.
I realize that my words are falling on deaf ears, this thread is more or less an echo chamber for one point of view.
What is happening in Gaza is tragic, full stop. There has been no shortage of coverage within this thread of the ongoing atrocities and the humanitarian crisis that are going on there.
Unfortunately, I cannot say that was the case as hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians were brutally tortured, murdered, or kidnapped on 10/7, when this conversation was taking place in the politics thread. It shouldn't be that hard to condemn the murder of innocent civilians, no matter who those people are.
It's also telling that as this situation has progressed, there has been no shortage of coverage in here around the rise of Islamophobia or anti-Palestinian rhetoric we have seen all over the world. At the same time, the sharp rise in antisemitism that has taken place goes completely unmentioned, unless it's to defend people who feel the need to rip down posters of Jewish hostages.
Why is it there was no mention of what happened Dagestan in this thread? Paul Kessler's life also wasn't worth mentioning I suppose. There is a common theme at play here, it's not that hard to see.
Otherwise, perhaps you could draw up a complete list of bad things that one is required to denounce before being allowed to get mad about 160 kids getting killed every day
On behalf of the entire thread I hereby denounce the loss of all innocent lives, thus ending all possibliity of "Why haven't you denounced the death of Fred Smith?" whataboutisms
