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Tool is our generations version of Pink Floyd. Not worried about what media thinks of them, there music has continually evolved throughout the bands life, and they are both very very visual in there music more than any other band out right now. Now would you people be happy to see a Pink Floyd reunion at Roo? I just think we will look back when Tool does disband, and we will say that Tool was the closest to being a Pink Floyd for our generation. Once again though this is MY OPINION.
I agree with this comparison. Partially because you're comparing my favorite band of all-time, and my favorite currently active band. =)
So did anyone see the fox news cast about ratm playing at Coachella and how what they were saying onstage should be investigated by the FBI … that coulter really really makes me sick, almost as much as hannity …. She also said ratm were not only losers, but all of their fans are losers also …. Grrrrr oh and btw maybe I should have entitled this thread “ do you think Tool will change bonnaroo forever” (and no radiohead is not the same thing )
Post by stuckinutero on May 3, 2007 13:45:50 GMT -5
stuckinutero said:
Uh-oh. This thread is going to get blown up.
My 2 cents. No. Bonnaroo and Coachella are 2 very different festivals. Maybe you'll see a mosh pit or 2 pop up during their set, but its not like they're Anthrax. We're not going to have 90k doing a circle pit.
I posted this about 24 hours ago. Almost 1500 views and 120 posts ago.
I don't understand why folks are worried. It's not like Tool is going to come with 100k aluminum baseball bats to hand out. I do however think you will see some sort of mosh pit during their set. Hell, I might even join in as long as it's all good fun with no idiots throwing roundhouses trying to be the Bruce Lees of rock n roll.
I was born in the back seat of a Yellow Cab in a hospital loading zone and with the meter still running. I emerged needing a shave and shouted 'Time Square, and step on it!
Post by stallion pt. 2 on May 3, 2007 14:07:01 GMT -5
canexplain said:
So did anyone see the fox news cast about ratm playing at Coachella and how what they were saying onstage should be investigated by the FBI … that coulter really really makes me sick, almost as much as hannity …. She also said ratm were not only losers, but all of their fans are losers also …. Grrrrr oh and btw maybe I should have entitled this thread “ do you think Tool will change bonnaroo forever” (and no radiohead is not the same thing )
Yeah...I read the transcripts and was not surprised by anything that skinny little dingbat says. She thinks Zach should be investigated for a "threat" onstage, but when she opines that assanating Clinton is a viable option, it's OK b/c Clinton is an "evil liberal." That privilaged New Canaan cun!t can go to hell. I'm proud to say my school was the one where she got pied (i just wish they had better aim).
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Last Fm (metal being the largest most used tag for the band) alternative alternative rock metal progressive progressive metal progressive rock rock seen live
Last Fm (metal being the largest most used tag for the band) alternative alternative rock metal progressive progressive metal progressive rock rock seen live
ifyou searched for Linkin Park or Disturbed, you'd probably find a lot of people who would label them some form of 'metal' as well. You have to remember, the masses are usually pretty musically uneducated.
Last Fm (metal being the largest most used tag for the band) alternative alternative rock metal progressive progressive metal progressive rock rock seen live
ifyou searched for Linkin Park or Disturbed, you'd probably find a lot of people who would label them some form of 'metal' as well. You have to remember, the masses are usually pretty musically uneducated.
wikapedia says they were metal but are now considered prog rock .. prog rock was my fav for many years and it was held in such distane, but times change and so do groups ... cr****
that is a huge stretch. people said the same thing about radiohead last year. and although they were outstanding it aint floyd. and neither is tool. 200 hundered years from now people will be rocking out to pink floyd. and possibly some radiohead. but tool will be long forgotten by then. tool isnt bad. but they aren legendary rock heros that are changing music as we know it. floyd was. and radiohead is to a lesser extent. give umphrey's mcgee a few years and youll have the floyd of our generation. of course just my opinion. your completely entitled to yours too.
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that is a huge stretch. people said the same thing about radiohead last year. and although they were outstanding it aint floyd. and neither is tool. 200 hundered years from now people will be rocking out to pink floyd. and possibly some radiohead. but tool will be long forgotten by then. tool isnt bad. but they aren legendary rock heros that are changing music as we know it. floyd was. and radiohead is to a lesser extent. give umphrey's mcgee a few years and youll have the floyd of our generation. of course just my opinion. your completely entitled to yours too.
I definitely think Tool is doing more to change the shape of music than Radiohead. Radiohead has been making the same album for the past 10 years.
well id tend to disagree. and tool made 1 change of sound in thier career as i can tell. rode the mtv metal sound till it was played out and changed a bit. i think the difference for me is that dozens of great musicians site radiohead as inspiration and influence. i cant think of any musicians who have sited tool as a major influence on them.
Post by stallion pt. 2 on May 3, 2007 16:30:29 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i cant think of any musicians who have sited tool as a major influence on them.
Not an influence exactly, but Trey had a lot of great things to say about Tool earlier this year. Of course, we all know what Trey had been up too around that time...
anyways, saying that some band is "the next so and so" is sort of counterproductive. I think most musicians want to be judged on their own merits, not held up against older bands, weather they are an influence or not. Tool is not the "next Pink Floyd", they are the next Tool, and after everyone see's their Bonnaroo show that will be good enough for most.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
Post by masshysteria on May 3, 2007 17:01:54 GMT -5
stallion said:
they are the next Tool, and after everyone see's their Bonnaroo show that will be good enough for most.
I was mostly meaning that if I had to compare and contrast they would be our generations form of Pink Floyd. Also with them riding the mtv metal wave, how many times did you see there videos (not too many, most of them were banned on mtv), they have always let the visual's/music override them as a band instead of showcasing themselves down our throats (same as floyd in the past), every single album has had a change with them evolving/mastering there sound/mastering their art (sounds like floyd to me), and also tool's albums are extremely deep and multilayered (the same as a little band called pink floyd). I was mostly bringing up the floyd reference because they are the modern day floyd, they are what a whole lot of bands would love to be and they do not make music for anyone else but them (that is why it will be another 4 years till a new album). This was a matter of my opinion, and the opinion I have shared with many many people in which have agreed with me on this, that is why I brought it up in this lovely thread.
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
Post by stallion pt. 2 on May 3, 2007 17:06:19 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^ Understood. It can be helpful to compare past and present artists. There are many valid comparisons to them. I was more responding to Duder's statements about people listening to Floyd 200 yrs from now vs Tool. Who cares what people will listen to 200 yrs from now? "Here and Now. Here and Now."
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
as we all say, to each his own in music, but i know a lot of people who hated floyd and still do for that fact .. some of the younger generation thank god , picked up on them ... cr**** ;D
Post by masshysteria on May 3, 2007 17:14:45 GMT -5
Yeah I know I will be listening to Tool for the rest of my life, but then again I grew up with it so I am going to have stronger bond to that instead of something I didnt grow up with. So have you heard any recordings of music from 200 years ago.........I think not. So once we are able to have over a century's worth of music to judge from (and for tool to fully see there whole scope of music a century and a third) then we could really judge the music. Once again though this is all personal tastes (case in point some people think Phish/Grateful Dead/WSP are the best bands ever and will fight for them no matter what).
Change of subject: Could you imagine a Friday night headliner of Tool, then a Saturday night headliner of Pink Floyd for Roo. I think I could die a happy man (along with many heads exploding)!!
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
not sure what the oldest recordings are, wikapedia had the oldest cuban wax , 1909 lol, but i doubt if any is 200 years old ... but just for discussion, a band such as dark star, they dont "cover" the dead, they play the dead note for note ... going foward, many of the classical music that is out today isnt played by the original people of course, but it is played note for note ... therefore, we do listen to music that is over 200 years old and much of it has stood the test of time .... guess we will never know how the tool vs floyd thingy ended up .. cr****
that is a huge stretch. people said the same thing about radiohead last year. and although they were outstanding it aint floyd. and neither is tool. 200 hundered years from now people will be rocking out to pink floyd. and possibly some radiohead. but tool will be long forgotten by then. tool isnt bad. but they aren legendary rock heros that are changing music as we know it. floyd was. and radiohead is to a lesser extent. give umphrey's mcgee a few years and youll have the floyd of our generation. of course just my opinion. your completely entitled to yours too.
I definitely think Tool is doing more to change the shape of music than Radiohead. Radiohead has been making the same album for the past 10 years.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with both of you. While Pink Floyd may be one of the greatest bands of our generation, they will be forgotten two hundred years from now. Just another page in a history book. The same with Tool. The same with The Police. The same with RATM. The same with The Grateful Dead. How many people do you know who rock out to Chopin or Stravinsky? The names may be well-known however, they're not filling up the mass of america's cd booklets. The facts are that every generation will have a select few cultural icons that will in some way or another shape and define the generation as a whole. And it isn't fair to compare names thinking that one is ultimately better than the other. They are all epic, and have all helped to change music for the world as we know it. They have all inspired people to change themselves, in order to help change and save our world as we know it. Be it in your face confrontation to the issues troubling our world, the demand for greusome introspect of our society, or encouraging people to accept each other and the cycles of life. There will never be another pink floyd, but damnit, there will always be heroes of popular music. And having these heroes do their thing in front of 80k people at a time is a blessing to society.
And radiohead has done so much more than make the same album for the past ten years. Listen to Pablo and then Go straigt to Kid A. They've done so much with themselves and their music. I just don't see how you could accuse them of rewriting the same old stuff. Either one of two things is going wrong here. . . Either you haven't actually taken time to listen to radiohead, or your brain isn't functioning and you need surgery immediately. I'm not saying you should like them, but there's no way you can deny them changing their music. That's just straight-up blasphemy.
. but just for discussion, a band such as dark star, they dont "cover" the dead, they play the dead note for note ... cr****
i agree, lots of music from 200+ years ago is still around today. a little song called the star spangled banner comes to mind. and there are hundereds more. and classical music is huge. maybe not at roo. but elsewhere.
and its a misconception that dso plays the dead shows note for note. they use past shows for a setlist and general sound of the show but they are not playing it note for note. i have read articles where it says they recreate shows note for note but they are incorrect. dso has cleared it up in interviews saying that its not note for note. they are basing their show on shows but they evolve the music too. playing the dead note for note would be defeating what the dead were all about. but i think dso still illustrates your point that the greatest of music will live on. time will tell if tool fits that bill. i dont see any tool tribute bands hitting the festie circuit ever. i could be wrong though. again time will tell. tool is good stuff. timeless and legendary stuff? not in my opinion.
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people will be listening to floyd and the dead 200 years from now. i can assure you that my great X10 grandchildren will be listening to floyd and the dead.
. but just for discussion, a band such as dark star, they dont "cover" the dead, they play the dead note for note ... cr****
i agree, lots of music from 200+ years ago is still around today. a little song called the star spangled banner comes to mind. and there are hundereds more. and classical music is huge. maybe not at roo. but elsewhere.
and its a misconception that dso plays the dead shows note for note. they use past shows for a setlist and general sound of the show but they are not playing it not for note. i have read articles where it says they recreate shows note for note but they are incorrect. dso has cleared it up in interviews saying that its not note for note. they are basing their show on shows but they evolve the music too. playing the dead note for note would be defeating what the dead were all about. but i think dso still illustrates your point that the greatest of music will live on. time will tell if too fits that bill. i dont see any tol tribute bands hitting the festie circuit ever. but again time will tell. tool is good stuff. timless and legendary stuff? not in my opinion.
i will have to check out those reviews ... got any links ... we have seen them a number of times, just 2 weeks ago actually, but i could not tell you if it were note for note ... then i guess i couldnt tell you if the star s banner is note for note either ;D cr****
There are a lot of cover bands around and a lot of those are Grateful Dead cover bands. You've seen them, they're good. Most include the music of Jerry Garcia, Bobby Weir et al with other cover songs and some originals mixed in. DSO is a different breed of "Dead" band. What Dark Star Orchestra does is recreate the Grateful Dead. Not with hippie wigs and fake beards but through the live music. They play the setlist song for song in the same arrangements used by the Dead members of that period. When you're at a DSO show you may really be in the Providence Civic Center back in May of '81. Or you could even be at the 1973 Denver Coliseum show listening to Weather Report Suite. Who knows?
Actually no one does and that's part of the trip. The date of the show to be recreated is kept secret right up till the performance. Oh, there are clues (the number and placement of microphones, the keyboard setup, a midi guitar) and the secret becomes part of a game. Usually the audience in front starts throwing out guesses toward the end of the first set. The wiser observer waits for the start of the second set to venture a showdate. Sometimes a curious look comes over the faces of the audience as they realize, "Hey! I was at this show!" followed by a smile as they realize...they're at the show again! Remember: This is an exhibition, not a competition. So please....no wagering! The original showdate, for those who are DEADBASE-impaired, is announced at the end of the night usually followed by an extended encore of the band's choosing.
Even the press has caught on to what they're trying to do. Rolling Stone did a feature piece on the band in its June 20th, 2002 issue and USA Today says DSO is "channeling the Dead." Relix Magazine also did an in-depth feature article on the band in their Spring 2000 issue (Vol. 27 No. 2) and the Washington Post declared them "the hottest Grateful Dead tribute act going" but what they do is not just a tribute to the Grateful Dead but a testament to the enormous number of unique setlists they performed in their long career. Dark Star Orchestra takes the framework of the original setlists and sees where it can take them.
this is on their website under the 'premise" link. www.darkstarorchestra.net/homeframe.htm i probably could have just quoted that last line but the whole thing is good too ;D ill try to find the interview where they specifically talked about it.
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Post by unplugdacusticaz on May 3, 2007 17:51:00 GMT -5
Nobody at Bonnaroo will have faces because Tool will melt all of them off, thus preventing the chance of any arguments or fighting or "bad vibes" because no one will be able to see.
There are a lot of cover bands around and a lot of those are Grateful Dead cover bands. You've seen them, they're good. Most include the music of Jerry Garcia, Bobby Weir et al with other cover songs and some originals mixed in. DSO is a different breed of "Dead" band. What Dark Star Orchestra does is recreate the Grateful Dead. Not with hippie wigs and fake beards but through the live music. They play the setlist song for song in the same arrangements used by the Dead members of that period. When you're at a DSO show you may really be in the Providence Civic Center back in May of '81. Or you could even be at the 1973 Denver Coliseum show listening to Weather Report Suite. Who knows?
Actually no one does and that's part of the trip. The date of the show to be recreated is kept secret right up till the performance. Oh, there are clues (the number and placement of microphones, the keyboard setup, a midi guitar) and the secret becomes part of a game. Usually the audience in front starts throwing out guesses toward the end of the first set. The wiser observer waits for the start of the second set to venture a showdate. Sometimes a curious look comes over the faces of the audience as they realize, "Hey! I was at this show!" followed by a smile as they realize...they're at the show again! Remember: This is an exhibition, not a competition. So please....no wagering! The original showdate, for those who are DEADBASE-impaired, is announced at the end of the night usually followed by an extended encore of the band's choosing.
Even the press has caught on to what they're trying to do. Rolling Stone did a feature piece on the band in its June 20th, 2002 issue and USA Today says DSO is "channeling the Dead." Relix Magazine also did an in-depth feature article on the band in their Spring 2000 issue (Vol. 27 No. 2) and the Washington Post declared them "the hottest Grateful Dead tribute act going" but what they do is not just a tribute to the Grateful Dead but a testament to the enormous number of unique setlists they performed in their long career. Dark Star Orchestra takes the framework of the original setlists and sees where it can take them.
this is on their website under the 'premise" link. www.darkstarorchestra.net/homeframe.htm i probably could have just quoted that last line but the whole thing is good too ;D ill try to find the interview where they specifically talked about it.
tnx, its not that i dont believe you , but even as you said " this is a common (mis) conception ... i just know i really enjoy them each time cr****
oh and this is probably blasphemy but there were shows they did (DSO) that i enjoyed more then some of the dead shows i went to (when some of them were so trashed, they goofed up too much) ???
You can call the members of Dark Star Orchestra a lot of things. Hippies? Sure. Deadheads? Definitely. But copycats? Don't even try it. "What we do, there's nothing copied or studied or practiced. You can't copy this music," says DSO member Rob Eaton, who's been channeling the spirit of Grateful Dead guitarist/vocalist Bob Weir on an almost nightly basis for the past seven years.
"One of the big misconceptions is that we do note-for-note stuff, which is ludicrous," says Eaton, who joined the group in 1999 for a five-night stand at Martyrs and has been involved ever since. "First of all, you couldn't do one note-for-note show in a lifetime, and second of all, it would be completely against what the music is about, which is improvisation."
You can call the members of Dark Star Orchestra a lot of things. Hippies? Sure. Deadheads? Definitely. But copycats? Don't even try it. "What we do, there's nothing copied or studied or practiced. You can't copy this music," says DSO member Rob Eaton, who's been channeling the spirit of Grateful Dead guitarist/vocalist Bob Weir on an almost nightly basis for the past seven years.
"One of the big misconceptions is that we do note-for-note stuff, which is ludicrous," says Eaton, who joined the group in 1999 for a five-night stand at Martyrs and has been involved ever since. "First of all, you couldn't do one note-for-note show in a lifetime, and second of all, it would be completely against what the music is about, which is improvisation."
ya i agree. ive seen phil and bobby and its special because its them. but if you want to be up close and get a feel for the energy the band had back in the day dso is the show to see. everyone should come to gratefulfest!! 4 nights of dso!! you should go to this link and check out the keller and the keels video. its actually dso and keller. and its incredible. and they are both at gratefulfest. just another great reason to come! ;D
Post by poopzilla33 on May 3, 2007 18:06:14 GMT -5
unplugdacusticaz said:
Nobody at Bonnaroo will have faces because Tool will melt all of them off, thus preventing the chance of any arguments or fighting or "bad vibes" because no one will be able to see.
