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Post by lucysiabanana on May 3, 2007 18:47:40 GMT -5
If anyone starts moshing @ Tool, it just means they aren't dedicated or informed fans. The members of Tool hate moshers; they think it's stupid and primal.
Me personally, I love jam type stuff and anything that doesn't suck, really....and Tool is one of my all time favorites.
I'll be enjoying the music, not wasting my time shoving people around. There is a time and place for that, and it's not @ Bonnaroo.
"That's the big thing about education. People can be book smart, but not really intelligent about anything else. A lot of times they just taking in all this information and regurgitate it. It's much more important to process it and personalize it. To apply it to your world, to your life. You have to walk the walk, or you can't really report about it honestly."
I definitely think Tool is doing more to change the shape of music than Radiohead. Radiohead has been making the same album for the past 10 years.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with both of you. While Pink Floyd may be one of the greatest bands of our generation, they will be forgotten two hundred years from now. Just another page in a history book. The same with Tool. The same with The Police. The same with RATM. The same with The Grateful Dead. How many people do you know who rock out to Chopin or Stravinsky? The names may be well-known however, they're not filling up the mass of america's cd booklets. The facts are that every generation will have a select few cultural icons that will in some way or another shape and define the generation as a whole. And it isn't fair to compare names thinking that one is ultimately better than the other. They are all epic, and have all helped to change music for the world as we know it. They have all inspired people to change themselves, in order to help change and save our world as we know it. Be it in your face confrontation to the issues troubling our world, the demand for greusome introspect of our society, or encouraging people to accept each other and the cycles of life. There will never be another pink floyd, but damnit, there will always be heroes of popular music. And having these heroes do their thing in front of 80k people at a time is a blessing to society.
And radiohead has done so much more than make the same album for the past ten years. Listen to Pablo and then Go straigt to Kid A. They've done so much with themselves and their music. I just don't see how you could accuse them of rewriting the same old stuff. Either one of two things is going wrong here. . . Either you haven't actually taken time to listen to radiohead, or your brain isn't functioning and you need surgery immediately. I'm not saying you should like them, but there's no way you can deny them changing their music. That's just straight-up blasphemy.
Pablo Honey was made over 10 years ago, Basically what I meant was Hail to the Theif, Kid A, and Amnesiac. All pretty much the same album. Or at least the same sounding album. In my opinion, they havent evolved from that at all. And dont tell me I havent taken the time to listen to them. I've listened to them a lot. Everyone I know is in love with them. IMO the only decent albums that they have put out though are OK Computer and The Bends.
and the Chopin/Stravinski thing. I listen to Chopin quite often. He's by far my favorite classical composer. Not so much Stravinski but guys like Franz Lizst, Franz Schubert, Sergey Rachmaninov, and of course the big names (Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, Wagner) are all in regular rotation in my music collection. A LOT more people dig classic music than what people generally tend to think. Music actually has stuck around from 200+ years ago.
Post by dogfighter28 on May 3, 2007 20:19:35 GMT -5
My friend is a die hard tool fan, metalhead, etc, most closed minded person i know. its really annoying. when he hears music he doesn't like, this is what i imagine in his mind:
"dude, this sucks. wheres the power drumming, the soaring guitar lines, and the anthemic vocals? what a bunch of wimps."
tools fans suck. tool do not, and I'm excited to see them. so if anyone screws roo up, it will be tool fans, but i doubt that will happen.
My friend is a die hard tool fan, metalhead, etc, most closed minded person i know. its really annoying. when he hears music he doesn't like, this is what i imagine in his mind:
"dude, this sucks. wheres the power drumming, the soaring guitar lines, and the anthemic vocals? what a bunch of wimps."
tools fans suck. tool do not, and I'm excited to see them. so if anyone screws roo up, it will be tool fans, but i doubt that will happen.
I'm a Tool fan. I try to think I dont suck. Please dont lump us all into the category with guys that listen to stuff like Cradle of Filth and Mudvayne.
Thats like me saying Phish fans suck because they're all drugged up and dont bathe.
Post by dogfighter28 on May 3, 2007 21:16:23 GMT -5
Do you write maynards lyrics on your arm and discipher mysteries and puzzles in their music? Do you consider yourself a part of the "Tool army"? Do you like Slipknot?
I'm speaking generally here. The vast majority of Tool fans, not every single one. I like Tool a lot myself, but I'm not a member of the tool army, haha.
Do you write maynards lyrics on your arm and discipher mysteries and puzzles in their music? Do you consider yourself a part of the "Tool army"? Do you like Slipknot?
I'm speaking generally here. The vast majority of Tool fans, not every single one. I like Tool a lot myself, but I'm not a member of the tool army, haha.
I do try to figure out Tool's lyrics. I considered joining the Tool Army, but never did. . What does Slipknot have to do with Tool? And no, its not a vast majority. Stop overgeneralizing.
Post by dogfighter28 on May 3, 2007 21:37:43 GMT -5
Are you the one that figured out that one of the songs on lateralus is structured in a fibonacci number sequence? You can't tell me that ain't sad, haha.
Are you the one that figured out that one of the songs on lateralus is structured in a fibonacci number sequence? You can't tell me that ain't sad, haha.
No, thats not sad. Whats sad about it?
(btw, its not one of the songs, it the whole album)
Wow I cant believe what I am reading here how sad most of you are. You all claim to be lovers of all music then you bash a band then people. I hear free your minds and all this stuff here then you are criticizing Tool fans, Slipknot Fans, Mudvayne fans there is nothing wrong with those bands I have seen them in concert. You just got to love music in general. Before those bands came along I was listening to the Dead, Beatles, Phish you name it I love Jam bands I love all music. I dont dress in Black and paint my face white I am just a regular person like everyone else on this board I cant believe the stereotyping that is going on in this thread especially from self proclaimed hippies that are supposed to be one with earth and love and peace. It seems like you are just trying to start a argument.
Post by dogfighter28 on May 3, 2007 23:05:44 GMT -5
Jesus, you people talk about freeing your minds, and then you won't let me speak mine without making me feel like a leper. I'll be the first to admit that some of the bands I like have terrible fans (pompous Radiohead fans, hipster culture of all the indie stuff i listen to, terrible hardore scene). Lighten up a little. Take stuff with a grain of salt. A bit of humor is present in making fun of a stock generalization, because while it is rooted in truth, you aren't insulting anyone in particular. Simmer down now.
Wow I cant believe what I am reading here how sad most of you are. You all claim to be lovers of all music then you bash a band then people. I hear free your minds and all this stuff here then you are criticizing Tool fans, Slipknot Fans, Mudvayne fans there is nothing wrong with those bands I have seen them in concert. You just got to love music in general. Before those bands came along I was listening to the Dead, Beatles, Phish you name it I love Jam bands I love all music. I dont dress in Black and paint my face white I am just a regular person like everyone else on this board I cant believe the stereotyping that is going on in this thread especially from self proclaimed hippies that are supposed to be one with earth and love and peace. It seems like you are just trying to start a argument.
Ive actually seen both Slipknot and Mudvayne twice before lol.
Ive actually seen both Slipknot and Mudvayne twice before lol.
And no, thats not a good things. [/quote]
LOL I didnt say that I enjoyed it either well Slipknot I didnt enjoy but mudvayne was good.
dog I never called you out you just took offense for it so therefor I docked a karma point from you. I just said all in general it just happen to be after your post .
Are you the one that figured out that one of the songs on lateralus is structured in a fibonacci number sequence? You can't tell me that ain't sad, haha.
i followed a lot of stuff that Trent did for the zero cd marketing campaign ... i thought it was way cool .. there is nothing wrong with a group having more going on with its music then just some riffs .... cr**** so maybe you need to lighten up a bit ;D
Post by oatmealschnappz on May 4, 2007 1:35:32 GMT -5
Mudvayne is, without a doubt, a joke in every conceivable way! Spinal-Tap is more credible! It's as simple as that! THEY ARE A JOKE!
Slipknot are WAY too interested in their "wild, mind-blowing" image to ever capitalize on their talent! The "Everyone I know is crazy, mask-wearing madmen" act is ridiculously distracting! They are only slightly less of an angst-ridden, freak-your-parents-out cartoon than Mudvayne! But, honestly, they are far more talented! Not that I like them but, Mudvayne is a f*cking JOKE!
Tool is an extremely talented band! They are about much more than sad, predictable shock-value! Tool isn't my thing but, I respect what they do! They do it very well! They are talented, honest, creative musicians! While they aren't my style, they are head and shoulders above the likes of Slipknot and Mudvayne! I MAY skip Tool's set at Roo this year but, I'd stay home if those sad, childish, pre-pubecant scenesters were playing!
While I don't really like them, to compare Tool to those image obssessed posers is ridiculous!
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Post by oppositeopposite on May 4, 2007 8:47:57 GMT -5
well. i like rage and tool. i think tool is a little creepy. and ratm is a little mad. but they both make some good music. granted, i didn't police and tool to headline at roo (and i may have prefered different headliners), i'm excited to say i will see them.
I'm from Iowa, have seen a couple Slipknot shows, and think they deserve a little more credit. While you may not like them, and I can only stand a couple of their songs, their music obviously speaks to a few million people on the planet.
And I'd have to agree that for all the peace, love and music lingo around here, many of you like to instantly lash out at people for their opinion.
Post by suspendedzen on May 4, 2007 9:54:13 GMT -5
I think the Itchy-and-Scratchy-esque cartoon metal of Slipknot and Mudvayne is a lot more tolerable if you just approach it as a form of entertainment without taking any of it seriously. As a medium like action movies those bands are alright in a live setting, and neither charges exhorbitantly for their tickets. However, it does get weird when people start becoming obsessed with it...the tattoos and all that jazz.
For a lot of kids (often lower-middle income and below, and from divorced households, etc) these shows are a far better 'release' than reckless partying/violence/the like. Unfortunately, again, that 'release' aspect often becomes all-consuming and the person misses out on much more of their life by obsessing about a certain musical genre.
As a form of simple entertainment or an outlet for a group of people, this kind of music serves a purpose. For others though it can be as grasping as any other addiction or obsession and consumes the life entire. Those, then, are the people that continously give that genre a warped image.
I think the Itchy-and-Scratchy-esque cartoon metal of Slipknot and Mudvayne is a lot more tolerable if you just approach it as a form of entertainment without taking any of it seriously. As a medium like action movies those bands are alright in a live setting, and neither charges exhorbitantly for their tickets. However, it does get weird when people start becoming obsessed with it...the tattoos and all that jazz.
For a lot of kids (often lower-middle income and below, and from divorced households, etc) these shows are a far better 'release' than reckless partying/violence/the like. Unfortunately, again, that 'release' aspect often becomes all-consuming and the person misses out on much more of their life by obsessing about a certain musical genre.
As a form of simple entertainment or an outlet for a group of people, this kind of music serves a purpose. For others though it can be as grasping as any other addiction or obsession and consumes the life entire. Those, then, are the people that continously give that genre a warped image.
Agreed. "maggots", I believe, is what they call themselves, if that gives an idea of what hold the music can have when they give in to the theatrics. But that's all it is, theatrics. Everyone, well, not everyone, but many bands use it. Ozzy. Kiss. David Bowie. etc, etc. It's used by the artist to accentuate their music, but there are always those who TOTALLY buy into it.
"How many people do you know who rock out to Chopin or Stravinsky?" quite a few
and did someone say that kid a, amnesiac, and hail to the theif are the same album because they sound the same? i dont think you have ever heard any of those.
will tool ruin bonnaroo? doubt it. tool is my favorite band. but unfortunately alot of their fans are moshers and dont get their message. i hope a bunch of meathead belligerant tards dont go! (another thing- how do you even mosh to tool? maybe their old stuff, but 10000 days is like intricate math prog rock. i would feel awkward trying to mosh)
(another thing- how do you even mosh to tool? maybe their old stuff, but 10000 days is like intricate math prog rock. i would feel awkward trying to mosh)
people just talk through wings/10k days too, how can you do that? those are my favorites off of the new album, I really hope people aren't going to talk through it at roo
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with both of you. While Pink Floyd may be one of the greatest bands of our generation, they will be forgotten two hundred years from now. Just another page in a history book. The same with Tool. The same with The Police. The same with RATM. The same with The Grateful Dead. How many people do you know who rock out to Chopin or Stravinsky? The names may be well-known however, they're not filling up the mass of america's cd booklets. The facts are that every generation will have a select few cultural icons that will in some way or another shape and define the generation as a whole. And it isn't fair to compare names thinking that one is ultimately better than the other. They are all epic, and have all helped to change music for the world as we know it. They have all inspired people to change themselves, in order to help change and save our world as we know it. Be it in your face confrontation to the issues troubling our world, the demand for greusome introspect of our society, or encouraging people to accept each other and the cycles of life. There will never be another pink floyd, but damnit, there will always be heroes of popular music. And having these heroes do their thing in front of 80k people at a time is a blessing to society.
And radiohead has done so much more than make the same album for the past ten years. Listen to Pablo and then Go straigt to Kid A. They've done so much with themselves and their music. I just don't see how you could accuse them of rewriting the same old stuff. Either one of two things is going wrong here. . . Either you haven't actually taken time to listen to radiohead, or your brain isn't functioning and you need surgery immediately. I'm not saying you should like them, but there's no way you can deny them changing their music. That's just straight-up blasphemy.
Pablo Honey was made over 10 years ago, Basically what I meant was Hail to the Theif, Kid A, and Amnesiac. All pretty much the same album. Or at least the same sounding album. In my opinion, they havent evolved from that at all. And dont tell me I havent taken the time to listen to them. I've listened to them a lot. Everyone I know is in love with them. IMO the only decent albums that they have put out though are OK Computer and The Bends.
and the Chopin/Stravinski thing. I listen to Chopin quite often. He's by far my favorite classical composer. Not so much Stravinski but guys like Franz Lizst, Franz Schubert, Sergey Rachmaninov, and of course the big names (Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, Wagner) are all in regular rotation in my music collection. A LOT more people dig classic music than what people generally tend to think. Music actually has stuck around from 200+ years ago.
Music is all about opinions, so I'm certainly not going to argue with you about what Radiohead albums are 'good'... Personally, I think they are all great.
However, I will argue that Kid A, Amnesiac, and Hail to the Theif sound the same. Just so you know, Amnesiac is basically the B-side of Kid A. It was all of the songs that they wrote during the Kid A sessions that didn't fit onto the album.
Hail to the Theif is virtually nothing like Kid A. It is more like OK Computer than it is like Kid A / Amnesiac. I don't know how anyone could say that Kid A and HTTT sound at all alike.
Also, you said that they have been putting out the same album for 10 years. OK Computer was released 10 years ago.
Listen to OK Computer, Airbag: How Am I Driving?, Kid A, then Hail to the Theif. If you think that the sound hasn't evolved in each album, I don't know what to tell you.
I also listen to Chopin quite often. I've even learned some of his work on guitar.
