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Oh for god's sake, they ARE fake. Nol13 made them himself. He does that. All the %@* time around here. Ignore him. Can we get back on topic now?
as you can see in the tourdates, bonnaroo dates are clearly scheduled, so im not sure what topic you are refering to, but if you'd like to talk about something else then please make your own thread, thx.
Well thanks. And I agree. I have no doubt that everyone is going to try to get Phish at their fest. I just doubt they will say yes
Sorry I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything. I think you make some terrific points. But here's where I disagree. I think there are in fact very few festivals right now that could actually sustain a Phish headliner (Waka, Allgood, 10KL still too small) and would even want to (not of interest to Coachella, SXSW, Virgin... maybe Lolla). Rothbury is an excellent suggestion. They had an amazingly successful first year, and are sure to grow by leaps and bounds. But still, they are a smaller fest than Bonnaroo and can only grow so much from year to year. I think that if Phish were to continue their tour through 2010, Rothbury would be ready to host them then. 2009 is just a tad too soon. And if I can add to my original post, let's again think about it from Superfly/AC's perspective. How would they look if an upstart like Rothbury booked the biggest jamband AND biggest reunion act and Bonnaroo didn't? I think they'd do everything in their power to get Phish there because of all it would do for them, and for all it would do to them if they didn't. They have been known to pull out stops and change the rules of their fest to accommodate artists (I hesitate to say the K-word), and so I think it's even difficult for us fans to even imagine what they might do to get Phish on board, so it makes it seem less likely than it probably is.
That's my take.
^^this.
The argument that Rothbury is more likely to land Phish over 'roo is crazier than simply just saying Phish won't play someone elses festival.
After last year cluster#$%^ and the need to always out do previous years and the economy and the existing relationship between Phish and AC/Superfly = Phish playing Bonnaroo is at least plausible if not entirely likely.
Also, no one in this thread has specifically mentioned that Trey and Phish are now managed by Red Light Management/Coran Capshaw, who has a rather sizable influence on, and stake in, Bonnaroo.
The business end of things has Bonnaroo/Phish/Capshaw/Musictoday wrapped so tightly around one another that's is laughable when people think their is NO chance of Phish playing Bonnaroo. The creative and logistic people that Bonnaroo hired to design the festival are the exact same people that ran and designed all the Phish festivals. The band members themselves have all been heavily involved with Bonnaroo in the past. It all just makes so much sense.
I was thinking for a while that Phish should just have their own festival at the Roo site next summer, but I think that would probably cut down the ticket sales of Bonnaroo, as some people would definitely skip Roo to see Phish in Manchester instead. On the other hand, Having these two festivals in the same summer would surely add up to far more ticket sales then just having Bonnaroo. But having Phish AT Bonnaroo would be a coup for AC/Superfly and they could reinforce their claim to being the biggest and baddest festival around.
This is a FAR more likely scenario than Rothbury scoring Phish. I highly doubt that would happen. In addition, Phish's summer tour is sure to be promoted by Live Nation, and I'm sure LN wouldn't want Phish to be playing an AEG festival (Rothbury). Who knows though...
Post by steveternal on Oct 3, 2008 19:59:13 GMT -5
I hear ya and totally agree. But let me play devil's advocate, and say that I don't think Phish will really follow whatever Red Light or LiveNation wants them to do. If Phish really wants to play Rothbury, they'll do it. If they don't want to play any fests, they won't. They are the big shots and they'll make the call on what they want their reunion to to be.
Let's look at it from the perspective of Superfly/AC. Here they are, putting together next year's festival, and they get word that Phish is reuniting and touring next spring/summer. They know their core demographic greatly overlaps with Phish's core demographic. They know it will end up being one of, if not the, biggest tours of the summer. And they are on very friendly terms with all members of the band. Add to this, they of course are looking to top themselves every year, and if it is true that they sold significantly under this year (I think 65K was mentioned), they especially have it out to reclaim their status as THE American summer music festival.
There's one major flaw in your logic:
The demographics do not have as much overlap as you think. The majority of Phish fans gave up on Roo in 2002. While there are still some of us out there who love both Roo and Phish, a large number of those who have toured with the band would never, ever set foot on Roo lot. It's a sad fact. If you think I'm off, check out this and the dozens of other threads started on PT about Phish/Roo: phantasytour.com/phish/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=1689310&page=1
While PT doesn't represent *every* Phish fan's point of view, it does speak for a majority.
If anything, Roo would be a place that Phish could play and be exposed to a larger audience (larger in the sense of those who wouldn't necessarily travel far to see the band).
Watchin' a stretch of road, miles of light explode. Driftin' off a thing I'd never done before. Watchin' a crowd roll in. Out go the lights it begins. A feelin' in my bones I've never felt before...
PT represents the jaded old hipsters who saw Phish in their prime in the mid 90's
their is a HUGE demographic of people who would jump at the chance to see phish at ROO who never saw Phish at all, or only a few shows in 04 or something (myself included in the never seen phish camp)
Phish at ROO would get me back there, at whatever price they wanted to charge (almost) a phish phest in manchester would get me there too, if the season was right, and they weren't doing another fest near enough to me (too hot, man)
in this economy, and with gas prices how they are, i will be sad if bonnaroo doesn't have an amazing lineup because its very possible that ROO will be my only fest next year, because its the closest to Atlanta...
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I wouldn't rule them out for roo 09, I certainly don't find the idea crazy out of hand. If nothing else Bonnaroo has the artist budget to make it worth most headliners trouble to play.
My understanding is that Rothbury's dead in the water pending whoever buying the property wanting it to happen, so the will (fill-in-blank) major jam band reuniting play Bonnaroo or Rothbury's a moot argument since it's looking like Rothbury 09 won't happen pending a miracle.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
My understanding is that Rothbury's dead in the water pending whoever buying the property wanting it to happen, so the will (fill-in-blank) major jam band reuniting play Bonnaroo or Rothbury's a moot argument since it's looking like Rothbury 09 won't happen pending a miracle.
This might be what AEG wants internally, but their public stance has been very different. Philip Anschutz has a lot going on other than Rothbury (like offshore drilling in California, lobbying to take away the rights of homosexuals, paying David Beckham a lot to look pretty on the bench of the Galaxy) and if they don't buy the ranch themselves, I'm a little skeptical that it's going to happen especially given the current economic climate.
As a follow up, I don't want to give the impression that I'm anti-Rothbury or anti-AEG just because I don't agree with Anschutz's politics or what his corporation as a whole does. I just think it's one thing to say "I know someone at C3 or LiveNation or Superfly who says this is going to happen" and saying "I know someone at AEG who says this is going to happen". AEG isn't just in the business of music festivals. It's in the business of making money for the Anschutz Company, and entertainment is only a sidebar for them. If the festival can make them money, it's going to happen. I just don't see how they can offset the costs of running a festival that size with half the capacity of other major festivals.
1. Rothbury officially announced the 2009 festival today, so that argument is still on
2. Rothbury has the space to expand up to the same capacity of Roo if they want, so that argument is moot too. They said last year that they plan to expand, but don't want to get too big (I'd rather them not get as big as Roo also), but they could if they wanted.
OK, y'all can go ahead and smite me some more for disagreeing, now
Post by steveternal on Oct 5, 2008 21:32:09 GMT -5
^^^Karma, because no one deserves to be smitten when they are just stating an inoffensive opinion.
To your second point, I'll say again that while I'm sure Rothbury will grow quite a bit, they can only grow so much from year to year. A Phish headliner would be too much of a strain for them in their second year. Physical space is just one part of the issue, there's also manpower, sponsorship, capital, promotion and tons more to consider. I just don't see it in their cards so soon.
Glad to hear they will be back. After hearing about this year, I'm strongly considering going there over Bonnaroo, depending on the lineups.
*i like coconuts, you can break them open they smell like ladies lyin in the sun** *Hell I don't even know where I am** *for now I must sit here and ponder the yonder: The herbivores did well cause their food didn't never run** *We listen, if it feels good We shake** *You made a big impression for a girl of your size, Now I can't get by without you and your big brown eyes.**
Well I guess it is all wait and see, I think the Phish only festivals may be the way it happens. On the other hand though putting on a festival is a lot of work and expense, and I would not be surprised if they care to play at a few where it is not their butt on the line financially. Where? is a lot harder, I would think if they did it would be Bonnaroo or Rothbury, or Outside Lands.
John: We don't even understand our own music Spider: It doesn't, does it matter whether we understand it? At least it'll give us . . . strength John: I know but maybe we could get into it more if we understood it
I don't know why everyone thinks Phish will play rothbury.
The Rumor was for Bonnaroo.
Actually, no one thinks Phish will play Rothbury. Clairity was making the case that if Phish were to play a festival, Rothbury might be as likely if not more so than Bonnaroo. But she has said multiple times that she doesn't think Phish will play any festival. So now you're up to speed.
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