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Whoever that was that said Kanye is better than Eminem, please sit your ass on the couch and don't bother coming to the farm this June. You won't like it.
I said that Kanye was a better hip hop artist. I was kind of a fan of Em until his music went from angry to some what agreeable to plain stupid. He has talent but really doesn't use it.
My favorite rapper is Mos Def so I will be happy seeing Blackstar but if Eminem is there, I will do something else during that set.
For what its worth, Kanye is an @$$hole but a genius @$$hole.
Yes, Em has some songs in his catalog that make you say "What was he thinking?" But he explains that in his song "Never Enough". To say he doesn;t use his talent though sounds like something someone would say that has only heard a select few songs off his albums.
I think you guys pay too much close attention to what his lyrics are implying rather than paying attention to his word arrangement. His rhyme technique is unmatched by anyone. Every other rapper, you can hear the beginning and end of every bar. He doesn't spit like that. He actually has a full out conversation and throws rhyme schemes in all over the place rather than just at certain points in the bars.
The context of rap songs is what's focused on too often. Who cares what the song is about. You could rap about something as pointless as a delicious ham sandwich (which I know is one of Inforoo's favorite topics) if you do it in an amazing way, it doesn't take away from the quality of the piece because it's about a sandwich. The reason you don't have this problem with Rock songs, is because they are very vague most of the time. They are written in a way that is very open to interpretation. Rap's not really like that. Most rap is actually supposed to tell a story. Em is one of Rap's greatest story tellers.
Another knock on Em is the way he constantly changes his voice in his Raps. Again, he's a story teller taking on a character. The changing of his voice just adds to the story. I don't pay attention so much to what the song is about, as much as i do, word arrangement, and the emotion and delivery of the lyrics themselves. Eminem is stellar in all instances.
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I think you guys pay too much close attention to what his lyrics are implying rather than paying attention to his word arrangement. His rhyme technique is unmatched by anyone. Every other rapper, you can hear the beginning and end of every bar. He doesn't spit like that. He actually has a full out conversation and throws rhyme schemes in all over the place rather than just at certain points in the bars.
The context of rap songs is what's focused on too often. Who cares what the song is about. You could rap about as something as pointless as a delicious ham sandwich (which I know is one of Inforoo's favorite topics) if you do it in an amazing way, it doesn't take away from the quality of the piece because it's about a sandwich. The reason you don't have this problem with Rock songs, is because they are very vague most of the time. They are written in a way that is very open to interpretation. Rap's not really like that. Most rap is actually supposed to tell a story. Em is one of Rap's greatest story tellers.
Another knock on Em is the way he constantly changes his voice in his Raps. Again, he's a story teller taking on a character. The changing of his voice just adds to the story. I don't pay attention so much to what the song is about, as much as i do, word arrangement, and the emotion and delivery of the lyrics themselves. Eminem is stellar in all instances.
I never doubted Em's talent ever, the man is a legend. I just happen to like his old stuff and so do many others.
I think you guys pay too much close attention to what his lyrics are implying rather than paying attention to his word arrangement. His rhyme technique is unmatched by anyone. Every other rapper, you can hear the beginning and end of every bar. He doesn't spit like that. He actually has a full out conversation and throws rhyme schemes in all over the place rather than just at certain points in the bars.
The context of rap songs is what's focused on too often. Who cares what the song is about. You could rap about as something as pointless as a delicious ham sandwich (which I know is one of Inforoo's favorite topics) if you do it in an amazing way, it doesn't take away from the quality of the piece because it's about a sandwich. The reason you don't have this problem with Rock songs, is because they are very vague most of the time. They are written in a way that is very open to interpretation. Rap's not really like that. Most rap is actually supposed to tell a story. Em is one of Rap's greatest story tellers.
Another knock on Em is the way he constantly changes his voice in his Raps. Again, he's a story teller taking on a character. The changing of his voice just adds to the story. I don't pay attention so much to what the song is about, as much as i do, word arrangement, and the emotion and delivery of the lyrics themselves. Eminem is stellar in all instances.
I never doubted Em's talent ever, the man is a legend. I just happen to like his old stuff and so do many others.
I don't think I said you did, other people have, and I've been fighting off Em haters since this news broke. I agree, his older stuff is definitely the best of his work, which is true for most artists. All I'm saying is that Encore, Relapse, and Recovery are not total throw away albums. Each one, though not as filled with greatness as Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, and Eminem Show, has some real gems in them.
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PMO, let me ask you this. If you could pick a headliner between Eminem solo and Em/Dre, which one would it be?
That's kind of like asking would I rather have a million dollars or two million dollars. Obviously I'd rather have both.
Edit: If you asked me to choose between Em or Dre though, than that would be a tough decision. But Dre couldn't put on a performance that's just him. He doesn't really have many solo songs. Most of his tracks feature huge name artists. So if Dre were gonna be there, I would expect an Eminem or Snoop with him.
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Definitely am. I started going to Lolla in 09, why not sooner? Cause I'm an idiot. I plan on attending every year it's put on from now on though, since it's in my backyard.
Hmm I was actually trying to get somewhere with these questions but I failed. Anyways hip hop acts looking real good this year. Hopefully they can get Dre and add Lupe. Very excited for Em, Black Star and Big Boi.
Alright, I promise to all inforooers. This will be my last Eminem post. As far as defending his material. I just wanted to post this because it's a prime example of him still being on top of his game later in his career. Hope you enjoy.
Post by Laggy.RETURNS on Feb 10, 2011 11:44:32 GMT -5
Besides he super cheesy songs "will the real slim shady please stand up" em is awesome. I actually liked the new LP, though it was a huge improvement from the last 2, but got tired of it after a week. I think he'd be a great headliner.
And I feel 90% confident has HAS to be the headliner insider was talking about. Everything else is a stretch.
I got really excited when the dude said APC would be there. I dont really care if Eminem is there, but APC being there is a piece of very important information for me. Now I'm sad because he said he doesnt know =(
I think the massive success that Eminem has gotten in the last decade has really killed all of his energy and enthusiam for live shows. Watching some of his stuff on the Up in Smoke Tour DVD, his backing track was barely noticeable, and wasn't as profound as it is in his more recent live shows/performances. Hell, even around the Eminem Show, he still had a little fire under his ass. There's some Showtime Eminem live special on YouTube, and it's not that bad. It's not incredible or anything, though.
Has he ever played a large festival setting before? I'm thinking yes.
Jay-Z at Bonnaroo > Kanye West at Virgin Mobile Fest > Eminem at Voodoo Experience
Of the 3, Eminem had the worst stage presence and sound. He did have the best backing guitarist, while Jay Z had the best backing band. Post child prodigy Tony Royster Jr is a sweet get to have tour with you.
Em lacked the live charisma the other 2 had and the guest appearance by D12 was aweful at best. Unbiased opinion, I've loved and hated all 3 artists in past for various reasons. Em for what he was, was great. He is now a pop star and his songs are cheddar cheese.
I don't see him at the farm, he fits Voodoo and Lolla is more the pop Mecca, Bonnaroo sets itself apart a little and I don't see Eminem on the bill, at least not alone.
Jay-Z at Bonnaroo > Kanye West at Virgin Mobile Fest > Eminem at Voodoo Experience
Of the 3, Eminem had the worst stage presence and sound. He did have the best backing guitarist, while Jay Z had the best backing band. Post child prodigy Tony Royster Jr is a sweet get to have tour with you.
Em lacked the live charisma the other 2 had and the guest appearance by D12 was aweful at best. Unbiased opinion, I've loved and hated all 3 artists in past for various reasons. Em for what he was, was great. He is now a pop star and his songs are cheddar cheese.
I don't see him at the farm, he fits Voodoo and Lolla is more the pop Mecca, Bonnaroo sets itself apart a little and I don't see Eminem on the bill, at least not alone.
$0.02
hey man you and I are in the exact same boat on this!
Not only did I see Jay last year, but I saw Kanye at Virgin Mobile in 08 also. I didn't see Em at Voodoo, but I've seen him a few times before and just was never wowed. I've been trying to warn the people here that they don't truly want him there as bad as they think they do. I'd love a second try for Kanye though.
I had a dream last night that my friends and I were having a conversation about seeing Dre and Eminem. I'm really starting to think it is happening since we haven't heard about any other hip hop headliner. I don't want to get my hopes up, and I know getting Eminem would upset some people, but I just hope that he surprises me with the live performance, brings the energy from the home-and-home he did with Jay-Z and Dr. Dre is there as well. I think Sunday and the Grammy performance will be a good idea of where they are in terms of a live show.
Post by seamonster on Feb 12, 2011 22:51:16 GMT -5
I don't see him bringing a "scene". I think that's hard for a rap act to do. My reasoning to follow;
A band like DMB for instance would cross genre with a lot of kids who go to fests or are what I'd call "semi-scene". A band like DMB will bring a fan base to the farm because the fan base is already predisposed and geared towards to likes of camping and festivals. So when this happens you get the "brah" crowd.
Now the "bro" crowd, is what I think you are implying as a fret to abundance of and I don't see it being an issue. More, Em will be a nice treat for a laugh, intrigue, or just to rock out to for the palates of the general music goers. An added bonus is generally the hip hop card. I don't think you'll see many (a few for certain) with thug life tattooed across their belly a do rag and some oversized basketball shorts. Kanye didn't do it, Jay didn't do it, Em can't do it....Em and Dre? Maybe get some Cali love in the field but I dont see too many wankstas pushin 22's up on the farm to park and camp out....just don't think the types you may be worried about are that interested.
edit: that, and who really cares about Eminem these days other than 14 year old girls who want to piss off daddy dearest?
^meh... it's songs like that that make me begin to dislike him. Too cheesy
I like the fact that the song, without me, is about him coming back and causing controversy and now here Eminen is, been out the music for awhile, he's coming back and he's causing controversy. I do think Eminem is one of the best Rappers of all time. People have come along after him and can rhyme as fast, smooth, and clean(not as in topic, but crisp clean) as he can, but he was the first. His ability to flow, to tell a story, to make a joke, an insult, all while rhyming, is amazing! Like, "No I'm not the first king of controversy I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley to do black music so selfishly and used it to get myself wealthy"
and using Munchhausen syndrome? WTF?!
"...Now I would never diss my own mama just to get recognition, take a second to listen who you think this record is dissin', but put yourself in my position, just try to envision witnessin' your Mama poppin' prescription pills in the kitchen, bitchin' that someone's always goin' through her purse and shits missin', going through public housing systems, victim of Munchausen's syndrome..."
I'm completely down if they only play stuff from Marshall Mathers LP, Slim Shady LP, and the 2 Chronics. The more other stuff thats thrown in, the less excited I am.
