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Obviously Governor's Ball didn't handle the aftermath as well as they should, but I wouldn't call Launchpad a jerkoff.
My main issue is that he's laughing off what everyone is saying like it's no big deal, and it comes off really bad. I wasn't there this year, but I had friends who were affected by the cancellations and I feel really bad for people who missed out yesterday.
Obviously Governor's Ball didn't handle the aftermath as well as they should, but I wouldn't call Launchpad a jerkoff.
My main issue is that he's laughing off what everyone is saying like it's no big deal, and it comes off really bad. I wasn't there this year, but I had friends who were affected by the cancellations and I feel really bad for people who missed out yesterday.
Well to be fair, a lot of the comments from people ripping on Gov Ball are very uniformed (not so much from folks on Inforoo, but I read a lot of nonsense on Reddit). As in people not understanding that Sunday was cancelled due to concerns over lightning and strong winds rather than rain.
My main issue is that he's laughing off what everyone is saying like it's no big deal, and it comes off really bad. I wasn't there this year, but I had friends who were affected by the cancellations and I feel really bad for people who missed out yesterday.
Well to be fair, a lot of the comments from people ripping on Gov Ball are very uniformed. As in people not understanding that Sunday was cancelled due to concerns over lightning and strong winds rather than rain.
It's also not Governors Ball call to cancel. It's up to NYC Parks. It was the smart thing to do, imagine if people got struck by lightning crossing the bridge just after the Rock AM Ring festival? If you think the festival is taking backlash and will have a drop in ticket sales (it wont) next year imagine what would have happened if people got hurt. Everyone was affected by the cancellation. I was, too.
With the right line ups gov ball will be just fine, but if there's a deterrent for people to return (or go for the first time, in my case) it's gotta be whether or not it continues to take place on Randall's. Cuz yeah, everyone who's saying that yesterday's cancellation was the right thing to do is correct... but that's based largely on the fact that an island is a logistical nightmare to evacuate.
If it were on the mainland somewhere, yesterday probably wouldn't have been more than a long delay, a la Summer Jam.
Randall's Island is probably my least favorite part about Gov Ball. I'm dreading going back there for Panorama to the point where I might just bail on the entire weekend and only see Arcade Fire's day.
Post by Doctor Doctor on Jun 6, 2016 15:21:55 GMT -5
Can we talk about why being called a jerkoff is a bad thing? I think it should be a positive thing when used as an adjective! When do you ever hear anyone upset like.. god dammit, I have to jerkoff now. Or damn! I just jerked off and it was terrible. This is twisted!
Is it just me? If it is I'll shut-up but I think we need to change this people
Obviously Governor's Ball didn't handle the aftermath as well as they should, but I wouldn't call Launchpad a jerkoff.
My main issue is that he's laughing off what everyone is saying like it's no big deal, and it comes off really bad. I wasn't there this year, but I had friends who were affected by the cancellations and I feel really bad for people who missed out yesterday.
I feel bad for people who missed out yesterday too. I was one of them. Would have loved to see Kanye. Hell I took the train from Brooklyn at 11:30 PM to Webster on the off chance I might be able to get in.
The fest did everything they were supposed to do given the situation. It sucks, but they weren't wrong.
What I am laughing at is the absurdity of saying they are going to take a hit financially next year because they had bad weather this year. As if they could control the weather; as if this same thing hasn't happened to almost every other major fest at some point. They'll be fine. If you want to go to Panorama or another fest because you are delusional enough to think they are guaranteed perfect weather. Go for it. You are running the exact same risk anywhere you go.
Well to be fair, a lot of the comments from people ripping on Gov Ball are very uniformed. As in people not understanding that Sunday was cancelled due to concerns over lightning and strong winds rather than rain.
It's also not Governors Ball call to cancel. It's up to NYC Parks. It was the smart thing to do, imagine if people got struck by lightning crossing the bridge just after the Rock AM Ring festival? If you think the festival is taking backlash and will have a drop in ticket sales (it wont) next year imagine what would have happened if people got hurt. Everyone was affected by the cancellation. I was, too.
I agree, I just wish they did a better job communicating the rescheduled shows and answering people's questions like Levitation did when they had severe weather issues
My main issue is that he's laughing off what everyone is saying like it's no big deal, and it comes off really bad. I wasn't there this year, but I had friends who were affected by the cancellations and I feel really bad for people who missed out yesterday.
Well to be fair, a lot of the comments from people ripping on Gov Ball are very uniformed (not so much from folks on Inforoo, but I read a lot of nonsense on Reddit). As in people not understanding that Sunday was cancelled due to concerns over lightning and strong winds rather than rain.
This is all very true. But perception becomes reality, even if that perception is stupid and uninformed. If people are pissed off, they're less likely to buy tickets next year, regardless of whether that anger is justified.
I don't think cancelling Sunday is going to drive everyone away from Gov Ball, but claiming it will have absolutely no effect is equally misguided. This is something Gov Ball should take very seriously.
It's also not Governors Ball call to cancel. It's up to NYC Parks. It was the smart thing to do, imagine if people got struck by lightning crossing the bridge just after the Rock AM Ring festival? If you think the festival is taking backlash and will have a drop in ticket sales (it wont) next year imagine what would have happened if people got hurt. Everyone was affected by the cancellation. I was, too.
I agree, I just wish they did a better job communicating the rescheduled shows and answering people's questions like Levitation did when they had severe weather issues
They didn't communicate where the rescheduled shows were going to be because they didn't book the rescheduled shows. Each act that had a make up show; scheduled it themselves through their own management at the last second. Only the venues and artists themselves promoted them; because they were the only ones who knew they were even happening.
Think the real issue for GovBall going forward is the venue itself. Weather issues are exacerbated on the island because there are really no structures to house people during storms, and transpo on and off is beyond awful if there is massive crowds. They are probably already hitting max capacity due to the boxed-in footprint of the event, and probably the two worst issues that go on during the fest itself (long lines and soundbleed/poor sound) really can't be fixed without a bigger space. Really doubt the finished construction changes any of this. Clearly the fact that they had the shut the festival down by 11pm so they couldn't wait out the storm like Summer Jam, and that they couldn't guarantee anyone's safety on the island in the case it was worse than expected were probably the two biggest factors in just calling off sunday when they did.
There's really no getting around the 11pm curfew, but if this fall festival goes well and since EDC has done 45-50k at citi field, maybe that's the move in the future. Probably will be awful on the blacktop in comparison, but would solve a number of other issues.
Post by The Foot Fuckin' Master on Jun 6, 2016 15:50:12 GMT -5
Imagine if Panorama gets the permits to do their fest at Flushing Meadows next year. Unlike GovBall, they'll become cancellation proof by being able to have their attendees spill into the streets, just like Lolla and MIA Fest.
Post by Pepe Silvia on Jun 6, 2016 15:52:45 GMT -5
they were able to pretty much sell out this year, they'll be fine. this might be a dumb question, but does Founders get the $ back that they were going to be paying kanye and the other artists of sunday?
The simple fact is that, at least with the benefit of hindsight, this was a very premature cancellation. My signature will attest to the fact that I have gone to several festivals cancelled due to weather, Hudson Project, GovBall 13, Firefly, and now this one. All 3 of the others had far more serious weather than Govball had last night, and all 3 other times, the organizers made every attempt possible to keep the rain or shine show on. They all cancelled either once the storm actually hit that day, or an hour or so beforehand, when they were 100% certain they were getting dangerous weather. Before anyone says "this is an island, this is different!", no, it's not. Govball 13 was on the same island and they tried to play through the day during tropical storm Andrea, an infinitely more serious weather event than we had last night. Hudson Project and Firefly were camping fests! A thunderstorm is a much more dangerous event in that situation, where evacuation is far more difficult. There is precedent in this industry, even at this very festival, to do everything possible to ensure the show continues. That didn't happen last night, as evidenced by Summer Jam going on a few miles away.
It comes down to this: if a minor storm for 2 hours (not a major tropical storm) is enough to cancel this festival for an entire day, it is going to have a cancellation about half the time. That level of risk is unacceptable.
Imagine if Panorama gets the permits to do their fest at Flushing Meadows next year. Unlike GovBall, they'll become cancellation proof by being able to have their attendees spill into the streets, just like Lolla and MIA Fest.
I imagine there's a chance GovBall could start looking for new venues with Flushing Meadows definitely being on the list. If Panorama would get the permit, GovBall almost certainly would as well.
they were able to pretty much sell out this year, they'll be fine. this might be a dumb question, but does Founders get the $ back that they were going to be paying kanye and the other artists of sunday?
It all depends on how the contracts were structured. I'm sure they had cancellation clauses in them that specified what happens in that case, but there's no universal rule for how those are worked out
The simple fact is that, at least with the benefit of hindsight, this was a very premature cancellation. My signature will attest to the fact that I have gone to several festivals cancelled due to weather, Hudson Project, GovBall 13, Firefly, and now this one. All 3 of the others had far more serious weather than Govball had last night, and all 3 other times, the organizers made every attempt possible to keep the rain or shine show on. They all cancelled either once the storm actually hit that day, or an hour or so beforehand, when they were 100% certain they were getting dangerous weather. Before anyone says "this is an island, this is different!", no, it's not. Govball 13 was on the same island and they tried to play through the day during tropical storm Andrea, an infinitely more serious weather event than we had last night. Hudson Project and Firefly were camping fests! A thunderstorm is a much more dangerous event in that situation, where evacuation is far more difficult. There is precedent in this industry, even at this very festival, to do everything possible to ensure the show continues. That didn't happen last night, as evidenced by Summer Jam going on a few miles away.
It comes down to this: if a minor storm for 2 hours (not a major tropical storm) is enough to cancel this festival for an entire day, it is going to have a cancellation about half the time. That level of risk is unacceptable.
And that caused millions of dollars worth of damage to the island and forced every event at Randalls that summer to cancel. Obviously the Parks Department are a little more careful these days and trying to avoid the exact same thing from happening again.
The simple fact is that, at least with the benefit of hindsight, this was a very premature cancellation. My signature will attest to the fact that I have gone to several festivals cancelled due to weather, Hudson Project, GovBall 13, Firefly, and now this one. All 3 of the others had far more serious weather than Govball had last night, and all 3 other times, the organizers made every attempt possible to keep the rain or shine show on. They all cancelled either once the storm actually hit that day, or an hour or so beforehand, when they were 100% certain they were getting dangerous weather. Before anyone says "this is an island, this is different!", no, it's not. Govball 13 was on the same island and they tried to play through the day during tropical storm Andrea, an infinitely more serious weather event than we had last night. Hudson Project and Firefly were camping fests! A thunderstorm is a much more dangerous event in that situation, where evacuation is far more difficult. There is precedent in this industry, even at this very festival, to do everything possible to ensure the show continues. That didn't happen last night, as evidenced by Summer Jam going on a few miles away.
It comes down to this: if a minor storm for 2 hours (not a major tropical storm) is enough to cancel this festival for an entire day, it is going to have a cancellation about half the time. That level of risk is unacceptable.
And that caused millions of dollars worth of damage to the island and forced every event at Randalls that summer to cancel. Obviously the Parks Department are a little more careful these days and trying to avoid the exact same thing from happening again.
That was an enormous storm. This was nothing like that, at all. Seems they got spooked by what happened in 2013 and overreacted.
I'm very upset with this festival for not finding some way to show Kanye's show. They knew that almost all of the audience was there just for that show and has traveled from far distances. They gave up too quickly and should have found someway to let Kanye do his show. They could have even had him play at noon or after the storm ended.
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The simple fact is that, at least with the benefit of hindsight, this was a very premature cancellation. My signature will attest to the fact that I have gone to several festivals cancelled due to weather, Hudson Project, GovBall 13, Firefly, and now this one. All 3 of the others had far more serious weather than Govball had last night, and all 3 other times, the organizers made every attempt possible to keep the rain or shine show on. They all cancelled either once the storm actually hit that day, or an hour or so beforehand, when they were 100% certain they were getting dangerous weather. Before anyone says "this is an island, this is different!", no, it's not. Govball 13 was on the same island and they tried to play through the day during tropical storm Andrea, an infinitely more serious weather event than we had last night. Hudson Project and Firefly were camping fests! A thunderstorm is a much more dangerous event in that situation, where evacuation is far more difficult. There is precedent in this industry, even at this very festival, to do everything possible to ensure the show continues. That didn't happen last night, as evidenced by Summer Jam going on a few miles away.
It comes down to this: if a minor storm for 2 hours (not a major tropical storm) is enough to cancel this festival for an entire day, it is going to have a cancellation about half the time. That level of risk is unacceptable.
I'm sorry, but if the forecast did happen to verify over Randalls Island, canceling one hour in advance still would have left thousands of people outdoors without adequate shelter. Considering how long it took for people to exit the festival Friday and Saturday night, one hour was not enough time to safely evacuate everyone. Second, the decision to try to play through the tropical storm in 2013 was a pretty foolish decision. The city received 4-6" of rain, and some musical equipment ended up being damaged or destroyed. Third, the situation in 2013 wasn't infinitely more dangerous than last night. Heavy rain is a huge inconvenience and will undoubtedly cause damage to the festival grounds and musical equipment, but heavy rain on Randall's island won't put people's lives in jeopardy like lightning or structures collapsing from high winds. The site itself may not have experienced such conditions, but there were numerous reports of wind damage (downed trees, downed powerlines, and structural damage) associated with the line of storms that passed through yesterday evening.
I'm very upset with this festival for not finding some way to show Kanye's show. They knew that almost all of the audience was there just for that show and has traveled from far distances. They gave up too quickly and should have found someway to let Kanye do his show. They could have even had him play at noon or after the storm ended.
They never even got the chance to open up yesterday because the Parks Department wouldn't let them. What would you have done differently?
Can we talk about why being called a jerkoff is a bad thing? I think it should be a positive thing when used as an adjective! When do you ever hear anyone upset like.. god dammit, I have to jerkoff now. Or damn! I just jerked off and it was terrible. This is twisted!
Is it just me? If it is I'll shut-up but I think we need to change this people
I always associate the term "Jerk-Off" postitively because of this:
The simple fact is that, at least with the benefit of hindsight, this was a very premature cancellation. My signature will attest to the fact that I have gone to several festivals cancelled due to weather, Hudson Project, GovBall 13, Firefly, and now this one. All 3 of the others had far more serious weather than Govball had last night, and all 3 other times, the organizers made every attempt possible to keep the rain or shine show on. They all cancelled either once the storm actually hit that day, or an hour or so beforehand, when they were 100% certain they were getting dangerous weather. Before anyone says "this is an island, this is different!", no, it's not. Govball 13 was on the same island and they tried to play through the day during tropical storm Andrea, an infinitely more serious weather event than we had last night. Hudson Project and Firefly were camping fests! A thunderstorm is a much more dangerous event in that situation, where evacuation is far more difficult. There is precedent in this industry, even at this very festival, to do everything possible to ensure the show continues. That didn't happen last night, as evidenced by Summer Jam going on a few miles away.
It comes down to this: if a minor storm for 2 hours (not a major tropical storm) is enough to cancel this festival for an entire day, it is going to have a cancellation about half the time. That level of risk is unacceptable.
I'm sorry, but if the forecast did happen to verify over Randalls Island, canceling one hour in advance still would have left thousands of people outdoors without adequate shelter. Considering how long it took for people to exit the festival Friday and Saturday night, one hour was not enough time to safely evacuate everyone. Second, the decision to try to play through the tropical storm in 2013 was a pretty foolish decision. The city received 4-6" of rain, and some musical equipment ended up being damaged or destroyed. Third, the situation in 2013 wasn't infinitely more dangerous than last night. Heavy rain is a huge inconvenience and will undoubtedly cause damage to the festival grounds and musical equipment, but heavy rain on Randall's island won't put people's lives in jeopardy like lightning or structures collapsing from high winds. The site itself may not have experienced such conditions, but there were numerous reports of wind damage (downed trees, downed powerlines, and structural damage) associated with the line of storms that passed through yesterday evening.
Why are we still arguing about this. If it's true that it was the NYC Parks decision and not Founders/Gov Ball than it's a non-issue. The NYC Parks department's motivation is to avoid injury, destruction of the property and emergencies. They don't give a shit about the festival losing money or the festival's reputation. It was indeed a premature call likely based on the events of 2013 when they SHOULD have called it off earlier but didn't. Any people with inside knowledge can feel free to correct me but, when it comes to NYC, if you're holding an event on public city property, do the city/parks officials not have final say regarding decisions like this?
I know its not what happened, but I love the idea of the Gov Ball staff running around the grounds kicking over fences so they can try to appease those being unreasonable about the cancellation.
Post by manoverboard on Jun 6, 2016 16:59:17 GMT -5
They were totally in the right to cancel. I think where everyone fucked up was the make up shows in the city. Only like 4 acts ended up booking shows last minute, despite the fact that sooo many venues were available. But really the main thing that bugged me is that these shows didn't give priority to govball ticket holders. I would have gone to prophets of rage if they guaranteed me that my wristband got me on a different line than the general public.
And wtf thanks Gary for the 2 second notice of your make up show. I would love to go tomorrow : (
As soon as I posted it tickets got sold out. I had two tickets selected and then it timed out on me. Ah well. Wouldve been sick to see him in such a small venue.
Last time I saw him in a small venue was the Bonnaroo On Tap Lounge in 2011.
I got a ticket for myself for tomorrow if anyone has tickets I am down to meet up as my girlfriend is going to Beyonce at Citi Field
