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Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 4, 2006 13:08:42 GMT -5
1. Michigan was penalized for losing to the best team in the nation.
You would think that having your only loss come in a 3 point game at the unanimous #1's home field would help your cause, but in this case it might have been the sole reason Michigan didn't make it. Reason being; nobody wants to see a rematch. People will say that Michigan had their chance to beat OSU, but in the end every team has a chance to go undefeated. The only team that did is the only team that beat Michigan. Unless the BCS is supposed to do something other than pick the two best teams in the nation, this fact should not have hurt Michigan's chances.
2. Michigan was penalized for losing late.
To me, it is much more impressive to stay undefeated for 11 weeks before losing in your final game than it is to lose early and not have to deal with the constant pressure of staying undefeated. You lose early and you can fly under the radar. People point to 2003 when Oklahoma lost the Big 12 championship game and still made it to the BCS title game as a reason why Michigan shouldn't go. Let's compare apples to apples here. Oklahoma got their asses handed to them against Kansas St. It was clear that they didn't deserve to go. In this case Michigan played the #1 team on the road and lost by 3 points. The fact that Michigan happens to schedule their toughest opponent during the last week of the season shouldn't be a determining factor in this equation.
3. Michigan was penalized because the Big 10 doesn't have a championship game.
People say it's an advantage for the Big 10 to not have a championship game, but in this case that's one of the things that kept Michigan out. Sure they would have had to play OSU again and might have lost, but instead they were forced to sit and watch Florida get their 2nd chance at winning their conference after losing a game earlier to the 3rd or 4th best team in the SEC. Take away conference championship games and Michigan is in the title game.
That said, Florida is a great team that won the best conference in the country, in my opinion. I wouldn't mind taking a dump in Urban Meyer's morning coffee, but other than that, I wish them luck.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 4, 2006 17:55:58 GMT -5
Michigan wasnt penalized for any of those things, they got jumped because they were idle for this past week. So you cant really blame the polls, blame the big ten for finishing the season so early.
they got screwed because of all those reasons. if the osu uof m game was the 3rd game of the season there would not hav been any talk of florida. florida played horrible against arkansas. they will get absolutly destroyed by osu. i think the bucks will win by 4 touch downs. and uofm will beat usc by 2 touchdowns and then everybody will say damn we shoulda sent the true number 2 team in to the championsship so we can see a good game. i think this might be the end of the current bcs system because people want to see a good football game. not some contorted ncaa b.s. that is all about keeping the game from being a regional big10 event. uofm loses to the number 1 team in columbus by 3. florida lost to auburn. gimme a break. and we destroyed teams that whooped on tennesseee wich was floridas toughest game. and they would have lost to arkansas if that fish moron hadnt botched that punt. im surprised that kid didnt hang himself that night after a mistake like that. all in all its about national advertising poower that put a second rate team into the championship. floridas schedule was not toughtes in the country. the sec is week compared to the big ten... put any sec team in the big ten and they will have 2 or 3 losses. oh well it will be a boring blowout and they will find out that people are more interested in a good game then they are where the teams come from. its b.s. and i hope this changes the system. they should make it into a play off between the top 8 teams. there is this huge layoff before teh bowl games. they could easily do it. its more money for the universitys. more money for the tv companies. more great games and a true champion. what the hell is wrong with that?
Michigan had their chance. Yes, they played tough at Colombus, and yes, that was their only loss. But bottom line is that they had their chance. You could argue forever about strength of schedule, but especially with out-of-conference games, I think Florida's was tougher.
Regardless, Ohio St. is the best team in the country right now. I'd love to see a four-team playoff system myself, that would settle a lot of arguments, but would give fans and sportswriters nothing to discuss, and what fun would that be?
As for the "huge layoff before the bowl games", Dude, it's called finals. Remember, these kids are <i>supposed</i> to be going to college to learn. Football is just an extracurricular activity....
As for the "huge layoff before the bowl games", Dude, it's called finals. Remember, these kids are <i>supposed</i> to be going to college to learn. Football is just an extracurricular activity....
you cant be serious. you keep telling your self that. thats why ohio state has their star players taking credits for aids awareness and golf in the summer so they can play. its all about the learning.
the discussion shoule not be about who ahd thier chance. florida had their chance to go undefeated but lost to a second rate team and almost lost to a second rate tennessee. the discussion should be about who are the 2 best/most talented teams in the country. and almost everyone agrees that michigan is the 2nd best team in the country but they "had their chance" they arent there to decide who has had chances or not. the fact is they all hads a chance to go undefeated. florida didnt. michigna didnt. lokk at the teams they lost to and look ato the scores of the big teams that were played. michigan destoryed number 2 notre dame and florida almost loses to tennesee. michigan loses by 3 to the best team in the country and florida loses to a team that isnt even close.
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As for the "huge layoff before the bowl games", Dude, it's called finals. Remember, these kids are <i>supposed</i> to be going to college to learn. Football is just an extracurricular activity....
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 4, 2006 23:30:50 GMT -5
Good^, because i hate hearing that excuse. The lower divisions have playoffs, and their kids actually need their degrees, because they probably arent playing pro.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 5, 2006 6:45:24 GMT -5
You wana talk about getting screwed talk about Wisconsin. They were ranked ahead of four teams playing in a bcs bowl game, but since one conference isnt allowed to have more than two teams in a bcs bowl they got shafted to the Capital One Bowl. I think the directors of the Big Ten need to get their acts together, because they're looking like idiots this year.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 9:09:05 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
Michigan wasnt penalized for any of those things, they got jumped because they were idle for this past week. So you cant really blame the polls, blame the big ten for finishing the season so early.
Not that I agree with you, but if it is true that the only reason they got jumped is because they were idle shouldn't I still blame the pollsters for dropping a team for such a stupid and arbitrary reason?
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 9:14:39 GMT -5
kar said:
You could argue forever about strength of schedule, but especially with out-of-conference games, I think Florida's was tougher.
Sorry, but you're dead wrong here. Florida played one barely average team (FSU), two patsies (S. Miss and Central Florida), and one division 1AA team (Western Carolina). Their OOC schedule was absolutely pathetic.
Michigan's wasn't anything to brag about, but it was definitely harder than UF's on the basis of the @nd game alone.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 9:16:07 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
You wana talk about getting screwed talk about Wisconsin. They were ranked ahead of four teams playing in a bcs bowl game, but since one conference isnt allowed to have more than two teams in a bcs bowl they got shafted to the Capital One Bowl. I think the directors of the Big Ten need to get their acts together, because they're looking like idiots this year.
What in the world is the Big Ten doing wrong? What, are they supposed to make the BCS change their rules in the middle of the process?
Yes, Michigan got screwed, the whole system does suck. However, fortunately for me, it was not the SEC that got screwed this year. The main reason I think that Michigan got jumped is because they have been idle for the past two weeks, which really screwed them. Florida is a good team, which has a ton of playmakers, but they never seem to go for the jugular like they should. I can tell you one thing, going to the SEC Championship game this weekend was definitely electric. Everyone getting UCLA/USC updates on their phones and shouting out scores, while the game kept going back and forth, with some ballsy and very interesting playcalls on both sides.
I think that Florida with their speed on both sides of the ball will be able to match up with OSU. They are going to have to play a pretty mistake free game to win, but they have a shot. I have the upmost respect for Tressell (although, I think that Carr should have been politiking a little sooner and him calling out Meyer was a little uncalled for). Hopefully it will be a good match-up, since I am pretty sure that I will be making it out there.
But I do feel bad for Michigan fans, but I guess it was just their turn to get it in the a-s-s, since the SEC has gotten screwed a few times already.
I just don't see how Michigan got screwed. They had their chance to go to the big game and they lost. Plain and simple. Why would anyone send a team that finished second in their conference to play for a national title against a team that has already beat them? I am a life long Buckeye so mabye I am a little biased. Anyway, a question for the Michigan fans. What if Michigan got to play in the title game and they beat the Buckeyes? Are they the real champions? Or would you have agreed the title should be shared? Your answer will explain alot.
Post by ziggyandthemonkeys on Dec 5, 2006 12:37:24 GMT -5
They were tied for second in the computer poll, and the human vote didnt want to see a rematch. Because of this you cant really knock the BCS's computers, because it wasnt them who put Florida in. And the Big Ten can start improving by adding a conference championship game, or scheduling different so their teams dont finsih so early. Yes, i do think a lot of the reason Michigan got jumped is because they were idle, out of sight out of mind in the eyes of the voters, which it came down to.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 12:49:42 GMT -5
Knoxville...
If the system is set up to put the two best teams in the title game, then Michigan has a legitimate gripe. I'm not saying they necessarily are better than Florida, but based on who they beat, how they beat them, who they lost to, and looking at the individual players and matchups they have a good argument. The whole 2nd place in the conference thing means nothing to me since they weren't given a second chance to win the conference like Florida was.
To answer your question, Michigan would be national champions - no doubt about it. Simply because all the schools have agreed to abide by the BCS and the rules state that the winner of the national championship game is the national champion.
That said, I personally would have had compassion for Ohio State's argument and would have fully acknowledged the fact that the two teams split the season series. Michigan would have a slight edge since the loss would have come on the road, and the win on a neutral site, but OSU would have an edge since they won the first one.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 12:52:02 GMT -5
ziggyandthemonkeys said:
They were tied for second in the computer poll, and the human vote didnt want to see a rematch. Because of this you cant really knock the BCS's computers, because it wasnt them who put Florida in. And the Big Ten can start improving by adding a conference championship game, or scheduling different so their teams dont finsih so early. Yes, i do think a lot of the reason Michigan got jumped is because they were idle, out of sight out of mind in the eyes of the voters, which it came down to.
You just said the pollsters didn't want to see a rematch. Why do you think the timing would have made things different? If they saw Michigan lose to Ohio State on 12/2 they would have all of a sudden wanted a rematch?
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 12:54:18 GMT -5
Atl...
That had to have been a great game to see with all those momentum shifts and knowing what was on the line at the end. Hope you can make it out to Glendale....this is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I'll be rooting for you guys!
Thanks. It was a hell of a game. It was so back and forth and with the UCLA scores coming in it just added to the atmosphere. I was sitting in the Arkansas section, which was about 30% Florida fans anyways. Bringing in a full flask helped the action as well.
I am hoping to go out to Zona, but I am hoping that it is not a once in a lifetime opportunity. Crazy thing is that this is the 10 year aniversary for Florida's only National Championship, and its 100 year anniversary for Florida football, so if you believe in that numerology crap, I think this might be our time.
i agree that wisconsin got screwed too... but i dont see how you can blame the big ten. its the bcs thats all fucked up. in the end its all about spreading the viewership across the nation as oposed to it being a regional event so they can market their advertising slots for more money. it hasnt been about football for decades. i cant wait for the sec to get owned so everyone will quit calling them the toughest conference. all of the sec teams would have 2 or 3 lossses if they played in the big ten.
i honestly think that michigan state would stand a better chance against the bucks on any given day then the gators do. the sec is week and florida had troulbe/ should have lost in all of their tough games. which werent all that tough to begin with. talk about overrated. the sec is nothing compared to the trials of a big ten schedule.
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Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 13:20:15 GMT -5
Yeah, once in a lifetime is probably a stretch. I guess I was just thinking about the chance to beat Ohio State for the national championship, but I'm sure that doesn't mean the same to you as it would me.
Post by Hipster Doofus on Dec 5, 2006 13:26:19 GMT -5
dudewhersmyinforoo said:
i cant wait for the sec to get owned so everyone will quit calling them the toughest conference. all of the sec teams would have 2 or 3 lossses if they played in the big ten.
Outside of the top 3 teams, the Big 10 sucked. Bad.
I'm not really sure how good Wisconsin is anyway. The lost to the ONLY ranked team on their schedule. That's right, zero wins against ranked teams. You can't hold that against them too much - although when you schedule Division 1AA opponents, and your toughest OOC game is a 4-8 Bowling Green team you have to take some of the blame.
Why would anyone send a team that finished second in their conference to play for a national title against a team that has already beat them?
because they are the second best team in the country. both teams have 1 loss. 1 team lost to the number 1 team on thier own field by 3. the other one lost to a team that was overrated from the get go and proved that throughout the season. not to mention the 1 point game against tennessee. our win at #2 n.d is much greater then any victory florida has. and our loss was to a far superior team then auburn. it shouldnt be about location, conference, or date of game lost. its an obvious no brainer to pick michigan to anyone who isnt biased or hoping for an easier game for their buckeyes
Outside of the top 3 teams, the Big 10 sucked. Bad.
true. but its the big ten. any team can jump up and get ya. sure they dont have 6 teams in the top 25 but i think its by far and away the toughest schedule to play. even if these teams arent ranked most can come out at any time and beat anyteam if things go thier way. just the rivalries. not to mention the weather conditions. i just think the big ten is more physicall and beats teams down more over the course of the season. can you honestly say that it is mor difficult to play so. miss, central florida, kentucky and w carolina over playing a bigten schedule. wisconsin, msu, indiana, minnesota, penn state, north western. all of those teams can jump up and surprise a top rate team. i dont see w carolina or kentucky being cappable of beating a top team on their best day.
